Breeding copepods fuge

You might try nutramar ova if you want to try to ween it onto frozen food.

this.

I decided to save money an not get a ora blue mandarin and just get a regular one from the LFS.

It would not eat pellets, cycopleez,mysis

bought some ova an it was picking at it right away

saved me from having to do a mandarin diner or buy pods every week
 
I've never had my mandarins start eating nutramar ova... Everything else loves it, but my mandys won't touch it.

Mandarins can be shy little buggers too. So if they have places to eat where they can hide too, then they'll go there first. I have two in my 90, and I only get a few minutes of good viewing at any given time.

How big is your tank?
 
I believe ORA grown Mandarin Dragons are all trained to eat frozen before sale. So if your friendly with your LFS you could ask them to purchase from ORA

So they say. Neither of mine ate even a crumb of frozen food and both perished. And my tank was at least a year old at the time.
 
Hate to break it to you but your madarin most likely is going to starve. I have a 500 G tank with a 125 refugium that's been running for over 6 years. Needless to say I have plenty of pods. Well the minute I put my Madarin in the sump he started feasting on the pods almost immediately. Overnite he probably wiped out 75% of the population and within 3 days I can hardly see any pods in the refugium. Luckily I put him in the DT and once the pods in there started to disappear I put him back in the sump. Back and forth he goes to this day. BOL
 
For those concerned about feeding a mandarin, you might consider culturing copepods. It's pretty easy, and with the availability of concentrated phytoplankton preparations from Reed Mariculture, you only need to set up the pod tank and don't have to mess with culturing phyto (though I do it because it's easy). Here's a post from another thread where I outlined the requirements - it's simple, extraordinarily inexpensive, and highly effective at generating massive amounts of copepods. The only ingredient I'd steer someone away from is Algagen's Phycopure - it's not very concentrated, and is pretty expensive at about $20 for a 16 oz. bottle, which you'll go through very quickly in a pod culture:

If you already have the dragonet, you may want to consider immediately setting up a copepod culture outside of your tank. The amount of copepods you need to generate to keep a dragonet healthy is quite large, and is somewhat difficult to do even with a large tank (120 g or larger) and/or a large refugium of >20 gal.

But culturing copepods to a high density is pretty easy in a separate culture vessel. You need the following to culture them:

1) Culture vessel. I use some Lustar plastic 2.5 gallon tanks leftover from my killifish keeping days, but you can use virtually anything that has an open top, including a partially filled 5 gallon bucket.

2) Air pump. Any air pump will do, and you will also need a piece of stiff plastic tubing that you can weight down on one end by tying on a piece of rock with a plastic bread tie. While you can use a standard airstone, that's not preferred because it will quickly clog in the culture environment - a simple open-ended tube that emits large bubbles is what you want.

3) Food source. For most copepods commonly available, this is phytoplankton. You can culture phytoplankton yourself in a a separate culture vessel using nothing more than miracle grow plant food. Or you can buy concentrated phytoplankton from Reed Mariculture (Reef Nutrition's PhytoFeast is one of their concentrated phytoplankton products, but they have others). One simply puts a few drops of phytoplankton into the copepod water sufficient to make it slightly cloudy.

4) (Optional) Light source - copepods don't need light to grow and reproduce, but if you're using live phytoplankton like I am, having a light source over the copepod tank lets the phyto reproduce in the tank until it's eaten.

5) Filter for copepods. You will not want to put the copepod culture water directly in your tank. Instead, get a piece of Nitex cloth in the 35 um opening size. Nitex is sold by a number of sources in a large variety of opening sizes specifically for the purpose of filtering various sizes of plankton from seawater.

6) Copepod starter culture. You can get this a lot of places, but if you want pure single-species cultures, I'd suggest AlgaGen's copepods.
 
BTW - Richiefile, you can order Reed Mariculture's products diretly from their webiste if your LFS doesn't stock them. I am not absolutely sure whether they will ship to Canada, but you can easily check with them through their website:

http://www.reed-mariculture.com/index.php

They do list a Canadian distributor, though it's on the West Coast.
 
richiefile
jlaquatics (BC) has reef nutrition products. I've ordered the live pods from them and they have them in stock regularly. There is a guy in Toronto who runs an online site Reef Aquatica - I get all my stuff from him. He does monthly orders and you have to get on his list because it goes really quick. really nice guy to deal with and has a crazy clown breeding setup.

http://www.aquariumpros.ca/forums/showthread.php?t=46210

I don't think ordering pods is a long term solution though plus I highly suspect those Reef Nutrition pods are cold water ones - they don't seem to survive long either in the display or refugium and I don't know anyone that has gotten a culture going (the red tiger pods). The articpods is also a great product and may be your bridge in terms of training your mandarin to eat frozen foods.

I trained my mandarin to eat frozen foods and then pellets and I think that is the way to go. I started by putting him in a big breeder's box and putting live brine in. He began to take notice and eventually chomped a few down. This was done with target feeding with a syringe (Julian's thing). He would recognize the spout of the syringe as a food dispenser and would go to it immediately.

Once he was eating that regular I started feeding frozen brine - the quality stuff from hikari. I would then sneak pellets into food. I think he started seeing the other fish eat his pellets and decided to start eating it. Now its nothing but pellets and pods (I have a 110g - lots of pods). I use a tube to direct pellet to him.

here is video of the little dude sharing food - he's been in my tank over a year now

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Not sure how big your tank is but if you do want to rear pods in the refugium you need a means to transport the pods into the display. You can do this by rotating a few smaller live rock pieces - your pods will hide in any live rock you set down and you can just put these into your display tank on a rotating basis.

You should be able to get a culture of pods going in the display though - there is probably pods there already.
 
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Tigger-Pods are not a "coldwater" species. With a little research on their lifestyle you'd realize they are not found in the ocean but rather in the upper splash zone, the last of tide pools before dry land. Those pools routinely hit 90+ degrees, then in one second are 50f when a wave finally finds the. We raise them in around 80f if you average our yearly temps.

The long term survival of TP in a display tank is limited due to predation, lack of food source and too much flow. They are best suited or refugiums. They also tend to need a food source added to aquaria for long term culture survival.
 
does anyone have any pictures of their cultured copepod hatcheries?

Here is a photo of my trays stacked up like a Jenga tower.

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The bottom 2 trays are N. lacustris, the top 2 are Tigiorpus californicus and the upper back is Tisbe biminiensis.

Dennis
 
awesome. that is precisely what i wanted to see.

what air pump are you using? i am currently looking for a very quiet one that will still handle quite a load...
 
what air pump are you using? i am currently looking for a very quiet one that will still handle quite a load...

The air pump I am using is one that I purchased 25 years ago when I had my first reef tank. I have had it sitting in storage for almost 20 years since then, so I was not sure it would work, but it was not a cheap pump ($200+ back then) so it is still working fine.

My unit is called "The Pump" (not sure of the model). Searching around on the web, HiBlow pumps appear to be the same (or very similar) right down to the cast casing that mine has.

Totally silent and can can run several dozen tanks (even though I am only using it for a few trays). I bought it origainlly for a 4 ft. DIY air driven skimmer that I made.

In the photo, you can just see the case in the bottom right.

Dennis
 
Ended up losing the dragonet and 4 other fish also. My pod population was strong. Not sure what happened. As for the others i have no idea what happened. They just disappeared. All my other fish are happy and active.
 
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