Burgess and declivis butterfly

DeltecRules

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I am interested in either of those butterflies on your divers den. My question is hoe safe are they with sps's? They come from deeper waters and are suppose to be reef safe to alot of corals. Whats your experience with these fish?
 
LOL. Looks like the Japanese pic of the butterflies has excited you.

Honestly, a lot of the japanese reefers have these butterflies, especially the declevis. I was speaking to one japanese reefer and when he introduced the Declevis, he had to have his temperature at 73. His goal was to slowly go up back to 78. This is probably why they have been successful in keeping this specimen. If you get one, maybe this tip will help you keep one.
 
DeltecRules,
Chaetodon butterfly fish are a risky introduction to most reef aquaria. By nature most species of Chaetodon will constantly pick at the substrate, rockwork, and coral grazing for food. In the confines of an aquarium, these fish will normally develop a liking for a specific group of coral, and constantly pick at them until the stress kills the coral. This can be said for most Centropyge angelfish as well in the confines of a young reef aquarium.

Deepwater species such as C. burgessi, C. mitratus, C. declevis, C. tinkeri are normally found at 130 feet deep or greater, on steep reef slopes where they reside among the black corals, gorgonians, and soft corals. Some of the above mentioned species are even found at the base of fore-reef walls among sand and rock at these depths, where there are very few corals growing.

Most deepwater species of Butterflies are less risky to introduce to reef aquariums than shallow water species, but they still may pose a threat to any polyps, mushrooms, soft corals, LPS, and even SPS. When deepwater species of butterflies are introduced into a very mature SPS aquarium with large colonies that are 5" or greater, the damage that one of these fish can inflict on a single colony is significantly reduced.

Although there are numerous aquarists (mostly in Asia and Europe) that show images of beautiful SPS tanks with deepwater butterflies in these aquariums, I really wonder how long the fish have been in these set ups? I personally would advise against introducing any Chaetodon butterfly fish to a reef aquarium, unless the tank was set up so that all of the corals and rockwork could be easily removed to capture the fish if problems occurred. Most enthusiasts have a substantial investment in corals and the risk to me is just not worth it.

Cheers!
Kevin Kohen
Director of LiveAquaria
Drs. Foster and Smith
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9842968#post9842968 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by invincible569
LOL. Looks like the Japanese pic of the butterflies has excited you.

Honestly, a lot of the japanese reefers have these butterflies, especially the declevis. I was speaking to one japanese reefer and when he introduced the Declevis, he had to have his temperature at 73. His goal was to slowly go up back to 78. This is probably why they have been successful in keeping this specimen. If you get one, maybe this tip will help you keep one.

LOL it did!! I really have been eyeing one of those deepwater water butterflies for a while. They really stand out to the common ones that are typically sold. I might try a declivis anyway. I can always throw him in another tank if he does become destructive. Mitradus butterflies are nice too. But i heard they can be destructive like declivis and tinkers.
 
Deltec.. im telling ya... tons of tanks in Japan are filled with corals and then butterflies and angels. Vendors will not sell you a fish that may harm corals. It's a hit and miss and gambling is how you can find the right fish for your tank. Arent you tired of seeing tang only tanks? ;)

It's a challenge to find the right fish just like its a challenge in keeping delicate corals.

maybe i can tease you some more!

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9848377#post9848377 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by invincible569
Deltec.. im telling ya... tons of tanks in Japan are filled with corals and then butterflies and angels. Vendors will not sell you a fish that may harm corals. It's a hit and miss and gambling is how you can find the right fish for your tank. Arent you tired of seeing tang only tanks? ;)

It's a challenge to find the right fish just like its a challenge in keeping delicate corals.

maybe i can tease you some more!

2007012103hq1.jpg


2006111907on4.jpg


2006121001dx8.jpg
Kevin raised some good questions and posted some excellent advice.
invincible569- could you please post or PM me any links to the Butterfly reef aquariums you are posting pix of/referring to?
 

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