Bypassing Baby Brine - Straight to Otohime for Clown Larvae?
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Heterodonut
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Matt, I have a batch of Clarkii's and I am thinking about doing this, but I was trying to get the same info. Dman, if you can please tell us what you are doing.
Heterodonut
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I guess it depends on what you use to enrich your shrimp. I'm not going to eliminate artemia, but Wilkerson suggests holding off artemia for clarkii until at least day eight.
David M
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I'd guess I have been culturing bs twice a day for at least 4 years now, maybe 5. It's just habbit, like making coffee. I'm sure I can do it in my sleep and from the looks of the sink some mornings I think I have 
I'll confess something personal here, I am a sleep walker. I have found some very odd things in the fishroom on occasion
I'll confess something personal here, I am a sleep walker. I have found some very odd things in the fishroom on occasion
David M
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As I said above, making bbs is just habit for me and I automatically use it. However recently I have discovered that in most cases I can get larvae on to oto A a day before they will take artemia. In fact the current batch of allardi's is gorging on oto so well that I'm sure I could eliminate the brine shrimp. It's tough to break a habbit though, last night I'm standing there looking at the fat fish (after feeding out oto) while holding the bbs in hand. I'm telling myself... they don't need it, they don't need it... and IN it goes I just couldn't bring myself to not do it 
I will try to restrain myself on a batch of tomatos or something I don't really care about just to see how it goes.
I just couldn't bring myself to not do it I will try to restrain myself on a batch of tomatos or something I don't really care about just to see how it goes.
mwp
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David, HA! Allardi's? Congrats, I had no clue you were working with them! How easy have they been to raise (compared to something like a clarkii)?
I gotta say, the perc babies in Batch VIII took to the Otohime A without ANY problems. However, while they do eat it, they don't GORGE themselves quite as much as they do on BBS. Diet wise, I believe Otohime is superior nutrition than BBS.
Matt
I gotta say, the perc babies in Batch VIII took to the Otohime A without ANY problems. However, while they do eat it, they don't GORGE themselves quite as much as they do on BBS. Diet wise, I believe Otohime is superior nutrition than BBS.
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David M
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I think one of the problems I've had is an overdependence on bbs, feeding too much for too long. I'm forcing myself to cut down just to see if it helps.
K- As for water quality, bbs stays alive until eaten, oto just falls to the bottom and rots. You decide
Matt- the allards are the first clarkii complex fish I've raised so I have nothing to compare them to. I have about 4 from the first try, 70 from the second, zero from batch 3 & 4 and now maybe ~200 just entering met. They grow very fast compared to o's, gsm's and toms. The 70 are barely two months old and nearly ready to sell at 1". The color is pale though so I'll wait another month.
K- As for water quality, bbs stays alive until eaten, oto just falls to the bottom and rots. You decide
Matt- the allards are the first clarkii complex fish I've raised so I have nothing to compare them to. I have about 4 from the first try, 70 from the second, zero from batch 3 & 4 and now maybe ~200 just entering met. They grow very fast compared to o's, gsm's and toms. The 70 are barely two months old and nearly ready to sell at 1". The color is pale though so I'll wait another month.
mwp
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Really, 1" and the color is pale? The male pictured in my log is was maybe only 1.25" at time of photograph (granted, wild caught). I've seen them at 1" or smaller and they were VIBRANT. Maybe they need a different carotenoid than astaxanthin in order to show the vibrant YELLOWS? Xanthophyll? Marigold Petals?
Matt
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Baalz
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9079679#post9079679 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by David M
I think one of the problems I've had is an overdependence on bbs, feeding too much for too long. I'm forcing myself to cut down just to see if it helps.
K- As for water quality, bbs stays alive until eaten, oto just falls to the bottom and rots. You decide
Matt- the allards are the first clarkii complex fish I've raised so I have nothing to compare them to. I have about 4 from the first try, 70 from the second, zero from batch 3 & 4 and now maybe ~200 just entering met. They grow very fast compared to o's, gsm's and toms. The 70 are barely two months old and nearly ready to sell at 1". The color is pale though so I'll wait another month. [/B]
The problem I find with this is if you over feed brine for any reason. The bbs continue to morph into their multiple stages. Where they have increasingly more sharp appendages which probably cause larvae deaths. Everyone can agree the fastest you can get them off of bbs the better off your hatch will be.
