ca reactor or not

jnb

Premium Member
My system is using around 220ml of each 2 part a day (seems like an awful lot) - Bad Monti, Bad - and while I do not mind this as far a work load (I use a Litermeter to do the work) - the cost is the issue (i buy from bulkreefsupply) that causes me to explore ca reactor.

Ignoring the cost of setup - the main reason I have not given attention to a reactor in the past is because I see too many threads where it seems there is a lot of tickering - I don't love guessing if a probe has diminished and don't want to test ca.alk, mg (these I don't mind and test once a week at this point with rare adjustments to my current dosing) AND have to calibrate probes all the time to feel comfortable.

But maybe the threads I run across are just the bad experiences resulting from marginal equipment so I ask here - where this forum seems to have relatively more experienced reefers than the general RC population.

Is a reactor for me?
Will it save me money?
Will it keep up with my reef - I have seen threads where reefers ca reactor did not keep up and they ended up dosing 2 part in addition?
Is there a ca reactor that does not need to measure ph but is very good fulfilling my needs.

PS I just jooined FMAS
 
Welcome to FMAS!

A reactor will be for you if you do what everyone should do regarding equipment but never do, which is to buy once, and buy right. It's worth spending a bit extra $$$ the first time to do it once and do it right, versus buying something cheap, then either it breaks, or you demand more than it can give, etc. That being said, the best two reactors as far as consistency, quality, and ease of use, are Deltec and Geo. There's a price difference, but they do have different qualities. I don't think anyone can compare these two brand's reactors to anything else, as they're just the top of the food chain as far as readily available non-custom reactors go. Not to mention that you can pick a used one up for a bit less than they are new, save some money, and still have a fantastic quality instrument.

A reactor is for you if you're willing to dedicate a week to set it up and willing to spend the money up front for quality equipment. Other than that you likely won't need to futz with it all the time. Maybe check your CA and Alk monthly, bi monthly, 6 monthly? I know I don't check mine but bi-monthly, mostly because I'm not around to check it. I set up my reactor, and don't adjust it unless it's clogged up (which happened when I had crappy feed pumps, doesn't happen anymore), or my corals uptake demand increases (which happens every year or so).

Will it save you money?
You're currently using 220ml per day. If you buy a two part kit from TPS, it's $12 per 2 gallon kit (1 gallon of each part), 1 gallon is 3785ml, and 3785/220=17. So you'd get 17 days worth of 2 part for $12, which is $12/17=

$0.70/day using TPS's pre-made bulk kits, roughly $255.50 per year on just the 2part. And that didn't include shipping, but the cost of the shipping is probably offset by the fact that you probably buy in larger cheaper quantities than stated above and priced on their site, maybe, so it's variable unless I know the inputs exactly.

Using a Deltec Reactor, you'd pay equipment cost up front (depends on size of your tank, if you buy used, etc), but you'll probably use only about one reactor change worth of material per year. So you've got a bit less water volume than, I, but should probably go with a similar sized reactor. I have the PF501, rated for a 280g tank, but is quite sufficient for my tank loaded to the brim with SPS. So on my PF501, I have to add another change of media once a year, maybe even every 9 months. An irritating process, because you've got to take the reactor out, but not a huge deal. I fill it back to the fill line at 6lbs of Deltec Rowalith C+ media, which goes for $40 for 10lb (MSRP). since I fill 6lbs per 9 months of heavy use approximately, let's just say I use the whole 10lbs in a year, so $40.

So we're at $40 per year for a Deltec reactor (excluding cost of pump electricity [small power consumption] and cost of shipping of the media, which could be offset by buying in bulk or buying for cheaper than MSRP, not sure if anyone sells it cheaper, I've never had to buy a new bucket)

Now, 2part cost you $300 upfront with a Leitermeter3, plus any tubing you've had to change, but for simplicity's sake, let's say just $300.

The Deltec reactor will set you back $600 for the reactor, $150 for the pH controller (or don't consider that if you've already got another controller, which it sounds like you have), and $100 for the CO2 tank and regulator, which needs to be filled about yearly (in my experience). So $850ish

Now, you'll have $300+the cost of media per year, which is $255ish, so first year you'll have spent $555, second year you'll have spent $810, and by the third year, you've spent $1065. For argument's sake, by year 6, you'll have spent $1830. That's a lot.

With the Deltec, it's $850+$40 for the media/year+$20 for CO2 fills/year. First year you're looking at $910, second year it'll be $970, third year, $1030. Just for argument's sake, 6th year you'll have spent about $1210.

Now, it all depends on how long you plan to be in the hobby for, how long to keep these corals, demand changes, a lot of other confounding factors. But you can see the price over time.

The Deltec will NO QUESTION keep up with your reef. The nice thing about the Deltec is that the media it uses can apparently withstand much lower pH in the reactor without melting, so you can squeeze more CA and ALK out of it. I didn't know that until someone told me in a Deltec forum, on why I should use their media over another company's. The Geo will use ARM large grain media, which will run at a lower pH than the ARM fine grain that most reactors use by standard, but not as low as the Deltec. So you can squeeze a lot out of it, but not as much as the Deltec. The only reason you may ever need to add a drop of 2 part here or there is to balance out an imbalance in the tank's uptake of one property or the other. different corals can uptake different amounts of each, CA or ALK. You can also have magnesium taken care of if you add 10%ish of your total reactor media volume as Dolomite rocks (which I've wanted to get for mine, as I'm manually adding magnesium occasionally from Randy's Magnesium 2part right now, but only needs it every year or two)

As far as consistency, the two reactors mentioned are rock solid once dialed in, and they should be controlled with a pH controller as stated above, with a solenoid on the CO2 setup, which will keep it consistent as well. The output does fluctuate over time as the media is dissolved, but in my experience, I have not noticed a difference in tank parameters. Honestly I don't check them much anymore anyway. I may check every 6 months the nitrate, phosphate, calcium, and alkalinity. Every year I check magnesium. I check the salinity whenever I do a waterchange or trade frags or something, to make sure my added water doesn't throw off the salinity.

Every reactor NEEDS the pH monitored, at least occasionally or until it's set up and dialed in. People have mentioned before that you can adjust the ratio of calcium to alkalinity going out of the reactor by changing the pH or flow or something like that, but I've never looked too much into it, and I haven't had a problem. I have some corals that would grow out of the water if the intensity of the lights above them didn't keep them down.

Is a reactor for you? I've done my best to answer that question. I certainly hope it helps. There are too many confounding factors for me to be able to give you a definite answer though.
 
ph probe on the ca reactor.
set the flow rate on teh ca reactor then just adjust the ph till the CA of outcoming water is what you need

having a brain fart atm
but its rather simple math to see what ca output at what ml/h is needed to have the same effect as your 200 ml a day of your 2part.

only thing i ever check on mine is if the input line came undone ( it was a diy)
 
thank you very much - you gave me what I needed

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14161771#post14161771 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ReefWreak
Welcome to FMAS!

A reactor will be for you if you do what everyone s........................Is a reactor for you? I've done my best to answer that question. I certainly hope it helps. There are too many confounding factors for me to be able to give you a definite answer though.
 
i am not sure if i want a deltec even if i do because of the responses I see on the D-D forum - apparently the lack of solid service is an ongoing issue - which I had experinced some months ago with my kalk stirrer
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14162337#post14162337 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnb
i am not sure if i want a deltec even if i do because of the responses I see on the D-D forum - apparently the lack of solid service is an ongoing issue - which I had experinced some months ago with my kalk stirrer
JNB the deltec reacotr is great but if u want the best service in the industry bar non GEO is the way to go IME.

BTW I also have a deltec kalk stirrer still in d box LOL pending my install .
 
thanks - i like the stirrer - i had to take the motor off and out and clean the bearings once - easy fix - they used crappy grease and it crusts up

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14163421#post14163421 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by gasman059
JNB the deltec reacotr is great but if u want the best service in the industry bar non GEO is the way to go IME.

BTW I also have a deltec kalk stirrer still in d box LOL pending my install .
 
I think you'll be fine with the Geo. I'm just biased because of how much I love my Deltec reactor :)

Glad I could help. I should save this for any time someone has a thread on the same subject (which probably comes up weekly if not daily in the equipment forum)
 
yes - it sums up many considerations

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14163877#post14163877 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ReefWreak
I think you'll be fine with the Geo. I'm just biased because of how much I love my Deltec reactor :)

Glad I could help. I should save this for any time someone has a thread on the same subject (which probably comes up weekly if not daily in the equipment forum)
 
I think I ended up with ReefWreak's Deltec. been four years. Just going to set it up now for the 1st time on my tank LOL!
 
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