Calling all fish breeders...
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rsman
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IF we are still trying to figure out what the deal really is going to be, a seperation between mass producing and once in a blue moon might be good, yet list both! to be more specific I have ocallaris fry every couple of weeks yet dont have others but a few times a year. at least I think id wanna be on the list somehow maybee(maybe not, id like to run it up a flagpole and see which places I supply to shoot me 
) , but id hate to have ppl begging daily asking when ill have a "flying purple people eater" :bounce2: when I only sell a handful a year. and do we publically list the store or just the breeder? as I myself am not really interested in selling retail, id rather sell to a retail business.
so many problems so little solutions
) , but id hate to have ppl begging daily asking when ill have a "flying purple people eater" :bounce2: when I only sell a handful a year. and do we publically list the store or just the breeder? as I myself am not really interested in selling retail, id rather sell to a retail business.so many problems so little solutions
Trumpet12
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oama said:
If the people reading the list are as unwilling to buy wild caught organisms as me, they will wait as long as they need to.
Seriously, we could put a note by each species that says whether it is regularly available in large numbers, rarely available in small numbers, or whatever.
I stumbled onto this thread one night after I ran out of messages to read in the anemone/clownfish forum. After I saw the list of captive-bred species, I thought it would really be a good idea to put some info on where you could buy them. I'm not a breeder and am not really a hardcore "concientious" aquarist. However, I'm always encouraged through books and postings to buy captive-bred but where can you find them? Why don't the authors tell you where you can buy them? Anyway, I ultimately buy wild-caught fish because there seem to be lots of barriers in getting captiv-bred. Hopefully, you guys will make it easier for the casual hobbyist. I already see a lot of politics after my post. I hope you guys can work it out.
rsman
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just a quick note.
I spoke to 1 trusty guy at 1 LFS, about posting a quick "i breed X and you can get them over ((here))" note
he looked at me all funny, and said "your kidding right!!"(sure kidding yep that was the word
) after going well only a little, he said that would be seriously frowned upon, and it might jepordize my relationship with them.
so the best I could do on this could happen list is a "i breed X" that was only 1 place and I know the guy I asked he is super cool I wont even dare to bring it up with the others.
as to man910: what is your location? (aprox is good enough) I dont really have trouble locating CB fish, anywhere so i was wondering what barriers your running into? also you do know that not every fish is currently able to be raised in captivity?
I spoke to 1 trusty guy at 1 LFS, about posting a quick "i breed X and you can get them over ((here))" note
he looked at me all funny, and said "your kidding right!!"(sure kidding yep that was the word
) after going well only a little, he said that would be seriously frowned upon, and it might jepordize my relationship with them. so the best I could do on this could happen list is a "i breed X" that was only 1 place and I know the guy I asked he is super cool I wont even dare to bring it up with the others.
as to man910: what is your location? (aprox is good enough) I dont really have trouble locating CB fish, anywhere so i was wondering what barriers your running into? also you do know that not every fish is currently able to be raised in captivity?
Trumpet12
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rsman said:just a quick note.
I spoke to 1 trusty guy at 1 LFS, about posting a quick "i breed X and you can get them over ((here))" note
he looked at me all funny, and said "your kidding right!!"(sure kidding yep that was the word
so the best I could do on this could happen list is a "i breed X" that was only 1 place and I know the guy I asked he is super cool I wont even dare to bring it up with the others.
This could be a major setback. Do you think that we should only list major hatcheries if other breeders have this problem too?
rsman
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im all for the concept,
someone (wanna sign up ) needs to do major research, and then pick a way of presenting the data so that everyone is happy
as i said before I like it, i dont have the answers, but i see problems.
one way i guess it could work is if ppl were free to either publicly or confidentially(users choice) "nominate" or whatnot any place they found CB fish but then you would probibly want to show which CB fish and that doesnt cover availability. see more problems :| you might have to just accept that there could be invalid data. or the list maintainer would have to verify the nomination harder to do if the fish seller is voting for him self, ( i picture some one saying "X has CB purple people eaters" the mod calling up and of course as the owner put the tag the mod gets "yes we have CB purple people eaters" even though the status of the CB purple people eaters would be very questionable) not to say every LFS is going to be dishonest, but everyone knows how much I needed that $400 trickle filter on my 37g reef!!!
someone (wanna sign up
) needs to do major research, and then pick a way of presenting the data so that everyone is happyas i said before I like it, i dont have the answers, but i see problems.
one way i guess it could work is if ppl were free to either publicly or confidentially(users choice) "nominate" or whatnot any place they found CB fish but then you would probibly want to show which CB fish and that doesnt cover availability. see more problems :| you might have to just accept that there could be invalid data. or the list maintainer would have to verify the nomination harder to do if the fish seller is voting for him self, ( i picture some one saying "X has CB purple people eaters" the mod calling up and of course as the owner put the tag the mod gets "yes we have CB purple people eaters" even though the status of the CB purple people eaters would be very questionable) not to say every LFS is going to be dishonest, but everyone knows how much I needed that $400 trickle filter on my 37g reef!!!
Trumpet12
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rsman said:someone (wanna sign up
I would be willing to take a crack at it, except that:
1. I see no way that we will be able to find every individual breeder.
2. I am not sure that all of the major fish hatcheries would appreciate a public listing of the species that they offer.
I think that if the major hatcheries don't want lists of the fish that they offer on the web, trying to create a list of fish breeders is not reasonable.
rsman
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my *thought* in my post was to list the LFS not the breeder. (that was really the end idea, where can person Y get fish X from)
I dont think you can list the breeders, and you wont get many smilies from the big guys from listing there fish. and you wont get me saying I sell to Z store but i might check a checkbox or 2 and type the name of the place into a text field if I wasnt identified with that entry. it *might* be best if a non breeder did the work anyways as that person might not step on as many toes.
but as i stated someone is gona have to research and plan.
I dont think you can list the breeders, and you wont get many smilies from the big guys from listing there fish. and you wont get me saying I sell to Z store but i might check a checkbox or 2 and type the name of the place into a text field if I wasnt identified with that entry. it *might* be best if a non breeder did the work anyways as that person might not step on as many toes.
but as i stated someone is gona have to research and plan.
lil'salty
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i dont understand why the lfs doesn't like the idea
if it is an undercutting isue then make them the same price
i think it would be better for the hobby if anyone could get these fish even in backwoods missouri
it is not like you would sell them all anyway so the lfs would still get fish i'm sure
if it is an undercutting isue then make them the same price
i think it would be better for the hobby if anyone could get these fish even in backwoods missouri
it is not like you would sell them all anyway so the lfs would still get fish i'm sure
rsman
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there are a ton of issues,
for a quick coverage of a few.
first I could say " hey everyone I have CB purple people eaters available now" and people could contact me, and I could make a sale, but its against the rules, so some one says bend or change the rules what about the nice people at ORA or ..... they are just breeders also, do they get a say ??? where is the line drawn?? number of tanks or number of employees how do we keep check on who has what? then you get to another issue I dont wanna sell 1 or 2 clowns, its not worth my time, its a royal pain to do things like work out shipping, your supposed to do things(setup accounts jump thru loops ...) if you ship livestock thru places like fedex and such, then I have to deal with taxes and such I have to collect sales tax, I have to keep a reciept, and come tax time i have to count the reciepts add things up and send the state $$$$$$$$ while i still have to do the work my <50 reciepts a year are easy now im gona have what 100 or 200 or ?? then I have to deal with dead fish do I refund do i make them return a dead one to me, or just all sales final. no thanks. so the next maybe would be to list the places I sell to, so people could contact them, well ok but now my private sale isnt so private, and I am being an ?agent?(grab the legal term yourself if you want it) for the LFS, now say i jump on RC and someone has just installed a 5000gph wet dry on his 20gal reef, and i do something stupid like say tell him to "get a clue" and he sees this link he can now go after the LFS, maybe not win anything, but now the LFS is involved and so am I again. and now we know that the rules wont be bent for the LFS, so I cant post the "purple people eaters available at supersmelly fish store at 1245 idonno, state of confusion" label. and what does a company like ORA do there, list 10,000,000 fish stores and I know that IF i advertised the sale of a species of fish that Id sell all i have in a day. the LFS's would not be so happy then, and we have just killed any chance I had with working with an online vendor.
and I am just breeding out of my garage(*anywhere* else in the house a tank fits) trying to make a buck and have fun with fish.
hopefully I made some sence in that, and you understand that for every good thought are 50 reasons it might not work and some of those are less important, but others are very important. if someone spends the time it could be good to have. but this is part of the "time" some how this needs to be put together so no one is so upset(?) by what is done that it falls apart.
for a quick coverage of a few.
first I could say " hey everyone I have CB purple people eaters available now" and people could contact me, and I could make a sale, but its against the rules, so some one says bend or change the rules what about the nice people at ORA or ..... they are just breeders also, do they get a say ??? where is the line drawn?? number of tanks or number of employees how do we keep check on who has what? then you get to another issue I dont wanna sell 1 or 2 clowns, its not worth my time, its a royal pain to do things like work out shipping, your supposed to do things(setup accounts jump thru loops ...) if you ship livestock thru places like fedex and such, then I have to deal with taxes and such I have to collect sales tax, I have to keep a reciept, and come tax time i have to count the reciepts add things up and send the state $$$$$$$$ while i still have to do the work my <50 reciepts a year are easy now im gona have what 100 or 200 or ?? then I have to deal with dead fish do I refund do i make them return a dead one to me, or just all sales final. no thanks. so the next maybe would be to list the places I sell to, so people could contact them, well ok but now my private sale isnt so private, and I am being an ?agent?(grab the legal term yourself if you want it) for the LFS, now say i jump on RC and someone has just installed a 5000gph wet dry on his 20gal reef, and i do something stupid like say tell him to "get a clue" and he sees this link he can now go after the LFS, maybe not win anything, but now the LFS is involved and so am I again. and now we know that the rules wont be bent for the LFS, so I cant post the "purple people eaters available at supersmelly fish store at 1245 idonno, state of confusion" label. and what does a company like ORA do there, list 10,000,000 fish stores
and I know that IF i advertised the sale of a species of fish that Id sell all i have in a day. the LFS's would not be so happy then, and we have just killed any chance I had with working with an online vendor.and I am just breeding out of my garage(*anywhere* else in the house a tank fits) trying to make a buck and have fun with fish.
hopefully I made some sence in that, and you understand that for every good thought are 50 reasons it might not work and some of those are less important, but others are very important. if someone spends the time it could be good to have. but this is part of the "time" some how this needs to be put together so no one is so upset(?) by what is done that it falls apart.
danny zubot
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This is all fine but where in Calgary(the prairies) am I supposed to get my hands on captive bread stock?
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