Calling Phoenix owners
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BeanAnimal
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The exact opposite is true, photos give you no idea what the coloration is going to be in real life. There are just too many variables for it to be even close
That said the phoenix 14K bulbs are a decent color with good PAR.
Not true here is a pic of one of my clams and some zoas. Perfect coloration is shown here.
<a href="http://s473.photobucket.com/albums/rr93/intenseneal/?action=view¤t=zoasandclam.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr93/intenseneal/zoasandclam.jpg" border="0" alt="zoas and clam"></a>
<a href="http://s473.photobucket.com/albums/rr93/intenseneal/?action=view¤t=zoasandclam.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i473.photobucket.com/albums/rr93/intenseneal/zoasandclam.jpg" border="0" alt="zoas and clam"></a>
BeanAnimal
Premium Member
Neal,
With all due respect, I am not seeing the same thing YOU are seeing, nor is anybody else viewing the image. We have different monitors types and different color settings. I highly doubt that your monitor has been color calibrated, let alone your editing software or compression method, let alone the other people viewing this thread.
Please, do me a favor... reach over to your menu button on your monitor and change the COLOR TEMPERATURE... What temperature is correct? What about the color balance of your monitor? If yours is slightly out of whack and the photo has PERFECT COLORATION, then what is it going to look like on a monitor that IS calibrated correctly? What about the white balance on the camera, the room lighting and camera mode?
Sorry to be such a stickler on this, but it is a pet peeve. Most people do not stop to think about the differences in color rendering from machine to machine and camera to camera. You simply can not use digital photographs (or analog prints for that matter) to discern true color. There are just too many variables.
With all due respect, I am not seeing the same thing YOU are seeing, nor is anybody else viewing the image. We have different monitors types and different color settings. I highly doubt that your monitor has been color calibrated, let alone your editing software or compression method, let alone the other people viewing this thread.
Please, do me a favor... reach over to your menu button on your monitor and change the COLOR TEMPERATURE... What temperature is correct? What about the color balance of your monitor? If yours is slightly out of whack and the photo has PERFECT COLORATION, then what is it going to look like on a monitor that IS calibrated correctly? What about the white balance on the camera, the room lighting and camera mode?
Sorry to be such a stickler on this, but it is a pet peeve. Most people do not stop to think about the differences in color rendering from machine to machine and camera to camera. You simply can not use digital photographs (or analog prints for that matter) to discern true color. There are just too many variables.
BeanAnimal
Premium Member
Examine the following images very carefully. Which image is the original? Which one has the best true to life rendering?
The reality is that it does not matter. They are all the same photo with slightly different color levels. That does not matter either because our monitors are not anywhere near accurate and all display images with slightly (or vastly) different color
The reality is that it does not matter. They are all the same photo with slightly different color levels. That does not matter either because our monitors are not anywhere near accurate and all display images with slightly (or vastly) different color
BeanAnimal
Premium Member
Victoria,
I do not appreciate the obtuse response, it was rude and uncalled for.
I have kindly pointed out the facts regarding photographs and color accuracy as they relate to this or any other medium. The conversation here was about using digital photographs to discern the color rendering of a particular bulb, not about the beauty captured or conveyed in a photograph.
The TOTM or any other quality photograph can easily capture the essence of a scene and its basic colorspace. That is not at question here, the accuracy of the rendered colors are. Furthermore, who said anything about "drab" with regard to accuracy?
The question "Can you please post photos of your XYZ bulb so I can see what the color looks like over a tank" is asked very often. The POINT of my post was to help to educate people who ask (or would ask) that question. Most folks have no idea that so many variables affect what you see. The more we all teach each other, the more eduacted we ALL become.
Instead of being obtuse, why not look into the matter yourself? I can provide you with a starting point of you would like.
On the same note: Have YOU tried different color temperature settings on YOUR monitor? What does the TOTM look like as you change the color temperature fo your monitor? Honestly, give it a try.
Have YOU walked into the local electronics store and noticed that every display device (TV, Monitor, etc) looks different? If you never took a moment to notice, then do so next time.
If YOU were picking out paint for your home would you look at it in person or choose it off of a website? Honestly, think about this one.
The bottom line, what your EYE sees live and what is recorded and transmitted for others to see can be (and is) very different, even though it still looks "good" or "right". So using a photo to pick the TOTM is one thing, using it to compare bulbs and how they will look over a tank is another.
I do not appreciate the obtuse response, it was rude and uncalled for.
I have kindly pointed out the facts regarding photographs and color accuracy as they relate to this or any other medium. The conversation here was about using digital photographs to discern the color rendering of a particular bulb, not about the beauty captured or conveyed in a photograph.
The TOTM or any other quality photograph can easily capture the essence of a scene and its basic colorspace. That is not at question here, the accuracy of the rendered colors are. Furthermore, who said anything about "drab" with regard to accuracy?
The question "Can you please post photos of your XYZ bulb so I can see what the color looks like over a tank" is asked very often. The POINT of my post was to help to educate people who ask (or would ask) that question. Most folks have no idea that so many variables affect what you see. The more we all teach each other, the more eduacted we ALL become.
Instead of being obtuse, why not look into the matter yourself? I can provide you with a starting point of you would like.
On the same note: Have YOU tried different color temperature settings on YOUR monitor? What does the TOTM look like as you change the color temperature fo your monitor? Honestly, give it a try.
Have YOU walked into the local electronics store and noticed that every display device (TV, Monitor, etc) looks different? If you never took a moment to notice, then do so next time.
If YOU were picking out paint for your home would you look at it in person or choose it off of a website? Honestly, think about this one.
The bottom line, what your EYE sees live and what is recorded and transmitted for others to see can be (and is) very different, even though it still looks "good" or "right". So using a photo to pick the TOTM is one thing, using it to compare bulbs and how they will look over a tank is another.
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Fishbulb2
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Yup, just keep trying different bulbs each time you replace them until you find the ones you like. Bean is right here. You just can't have a lot of faith in color rendering going from one person's camera to another person's monitor. The color is definitely adjusted at each step along the way. I would have a lot of confidence that I could broadly show the different between a bad 10K bulb (tons of yellow) and an over-the-top 20K bulb (entirely blue), but trying to distinguish between two similar bulbs is unfortunately fruitless. Just try them out and judge for yourself. Eventually, you'll get an idea for what you like.
FB
FB
Bean
I was not being rude and hardly obtuse. I was just asking a question in response to you disortation. This is a place where most of the time we talk in the gray. We do learn from each other without thinking others as rude. Remember your response was started out of your "pet peeve". We are not all as smart as you are. Sometime a simple answer is enough. You could of just answered my question without calling me rude and uncalled for! Besides how did you know the tone of my voice?
I was not being rude and hardly obtuse. I was just asking a question in response to you disortation. This is a place where most of the time we talk in the gray. We do learn from each other without thinking others as rude. Remember your response was started out of your "pet peeve". We are not all as smart as you are. Sometime a simple answer is enough. You could of just answered my question without calling me rude and uncalled for! Besides how did you know the tone of my voice?
Direct quote from you Bean "The TOTM or any other quality photograph can easily capture the essence of a scene and its basic colorspace." This is all I was looking for and expecting is a basic colorspace as you put it. However it is possible to get a color match with a picture. There is no need to get at others necks on this Victoria is only expressing a thought. And while I dont think the TOTM pics are an over statement of the beauty of the tank I do feel that they are awesome tanks to get this honor.
BeanAnimal
Premium Member
Though I (we) could not hear your tone, your choice of words and punctuation appeared to certainly speak volumes. If your honest intention was to kindly solicit more information, then you have my apology.
BeanAnimal
Premium Member
Lets not confuse the issue any more than it needs to be. You have taken my comment completely out of context.
You asked for tank shots with a particular bulb so that you could see how they make a tank look. You went as far as to ask that all other tank lights be turned off. You then indicated that you made your decision based on those photos. That prompted my comments.
The POINT (again) is (was) that photographs posted on a webpage are useless for the purpose that you requested them for.
You have every right to choose a bulb any way you wish, as does anybody else. I merely pointed out something that very few people understand or are aware of. I did so in an attempt to help them not make the same basic mistake. That mistake is assuming that a photograph on a webpage reproduces what the photographer saw. I kindly explained why, as MANY people read these threads and the "please post a photo of xyz bulb" question comes up A LOT.
You appear to be ignoring the facts in an attempt to tell me I am wrong. I just don't get it. Color is a very complex animal, it CAN be matched in some environments, not the one we are working with or talking about
FWIW I use the 150W DE Phoenix 14Ks myself and they are great bulbs.
BeanAnimal
Premium Member
That is certainly an awfully chastising way to accept an apology. Especially after you said lets move on!.
BeanAnimal
Premium Member
No Victoria, the facts would be:.
I read your post and took at as flip. In a single sentance I expressd my feelings and then MOVED ON to KINDLY respond to the questions and comments.
Your response could have as easily been "Bean, you mistook my tone." and left at that. Instead you took the opportunity to take a few jabs and be somewhat condescending. Still, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and apologized without ANY disclaimer or added barbs. Instead of leaving it at that, you AGAIN took an opportunity to be conscending after I apologized and after YOU said lets move on.
Have a nice evening...
I read your post and took at as flip. In a single sentance I expressd my feelings and then MOVED ON to KINDLY respond to the questions and comments.
Your response could have as easily been "Bean, you mistook my tone." and left at that. Instead you took the opportunity to take a few jabs and be somewhat condescending. Still, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and apologized without ANY disclaimer or added barbs. Instead of leaving it at that, you AGAIN took an opportunity to be conscending after I apologized and after YOU said lets move on.
Have a nice evening...
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BeanAnimal
Premium Member
How long has that tank been setup tater?
