Can i get some advice treating in qt?

[2FunKids]

Hi everyone, can I have a bit of advice? I have two clowns, one royal gamma and one diamond golby in the third day of quarantine. All are eating well. I am doing the tank transfer method with new water and the water they are in is new also. Today on day three I can see some fraying in on the golbies left pectoral fin with some slight clouding at the edge of the Frey. Should I treat this? What should I do? I have micatracyn 2.

Ps I have a little sand in the qt for the golby to sift.

THANKS!!

 

[HumbleFish]

Unless it looks bad, I would continue with TT and put any antibiotic treatment on hold for now. The new, clean water from TT may help clear this up if it's due to infection. Maybe post some pics of the affected fish.

 

[spieszak]

what are you doing to sanitize the sand? I'd be concerned it would defeat the purpose of TT..

 

[zeebies]

What is the size of your QT? Clowns and the RG can be aggressive if the tank is too small. They may be beating up on the goby. If this is the case, the goby is best removed to a separate tank.

Sand should be ok if it is changed out after each TT.

 

[2FunKids]

[/LEFT]ies;21206503]What is the size of your QT? Clowns and the RG can be aggressive if the tank is too small. They may be beating up on the goby. If this is the case, the goby is best removed to a separate tank.

Sand should be ok if it is changed out after each TT.

Thx and yes the sand is new and will be replaced at each transfer. I havent seen any aggression yet but i will keep an eye on it. The qt tanks are ten gallons each. We are talking about very small fish. The Percula and Onix are only just over an inch and so is the gamma.

 

[2FunKids]

Picture added

Picture added

Unless it looks bad, I would continue with TT and put any antibiotic treatment on hold for now. The new, clean water from TT may help clear this up if it's due to infection. Maybe post some pics of the affected fish.

Here is a picture of the fin, hopefully you can see it really well.

 

[MrTuskfish]

Thx and yes the sand is new and will be replaced at each transfer. I havent seen any aggression yet but i will keep an eye on it. The qt tanks are ten gallons each. We are talking about very small fish. The Percula and Onix are only just over an inch and so is the gamma.

Something you probably know: the black onyx is a color morph of true Percula clowns. (IMO, the term "false perc" should be banned by RC software) They will probably form a bonded pair as they mature; never mix species of clowns or keep more than 2 adults in the same tank.

 

[2FunKids]

Thanks

Thanks

Something you probably know: the black onyx is a color morph of true Percula clowns. (IMO, the term "false perc" should be banned by RC software) They will probably form a bonded pair as they mature; never mix species of clowns or keep more than 2 adults in the same tank.

Thanks...These were already bonded at the LFS hence the decision to purchase them together. I didn't know that I had two Percula's so thanks for the additional info. Hopefully these two are all I will ever need.

 

[2FunKids]

diagnosis

diagnosis

Here is a picture of the fin, hopefully you can see it really well.

Getting back to the reason for this post, can someone see the picture and diagnose this and provide some additional recommendations?

 

[HumbleFish]

Getting back to the reason for this post, can someone see the picture and diagnose this and provide some additional recommendations?

After looking at the pic, my best guess is it's just a ripped fin. The jagged edges suggest it was either ripped by accident or by one of the other fish. It doesn't look like a fin that's rotting away due to disease. My suggestion would be to observe very closely for aggression (especially after the lights go out).

 

[2FunKids]

After looking at the pic, my best guess is it's just a ripped fin. The jagged edges suggest it was either ripped by accident or by one of the other fish. It doesn't look like a fin that's rotting away due to disease. My suggestion would be to observe very closely for aggression (especially after the lights go out).

Thanks

 

[2FunKids]

Qt

Qt

I thought I would post my experiences so far on this QT for the first new fish for my 110 build. One Blue green chromis came with my used setup I purchased.

Well, the Golby is gone and here is what happened. I started with 4 fish from the LFS, Two percula's, one Royal Gamma and the Diamond Golby.

I had two methods I was debating on QT, One is a method using Prozi pro to start for the first seven days then Cupramine treatement and a second Prozi pro later used with the Cupramine. The other method is the TT method and that is the method I started with on these fish because I though...debated...no meds if they are ok should be better..?

Day 1, fish look good
Day 2, Fish are eating
Day 3, Still good
Day 4, did transfer and the Royal gamma feels confident enough to get out where I can see him....but...there is a problem, It is Velvet for sure..So I immediately started Cupramine after a quick PM. I observed that the Golby is not as active on day 4.
Day 5, I thought The Gamma was checking out, rapid breathing, mucus under gills. Observed Goby didn't eat today
Day 6 am, Royal Gamma is still around, golby seems to have swollen gills.
Day 6 pm, Golby is dead Back to fish store for refund.
Day 7 Tank Transfer and increased Cupramine to full dose.
Day 7 I see improvement in the Gamma but the clowns had a strange night up at the surface...Not sure if this is odd or not? Later am realizing they are still having this behavior at night.
Day 8 (yesterday), Everyone is much more active today and Velvet is visably gone. On the Gamma I had observed White mucus below gills, sheen above pectoral, gold patch on pectoral and a large sphere hanging below one gill. All this was gone now.
Day 9, today..I will keep you posted. I am thinking that I will still do tank transfer on day 13 to clear the infection at the stage where they are released from the fish. Will this help things? I have 4 weeks before I will be gone for spring break and I would like to observe the fish for a week in the DT before I leave.

Thanks for all the help...

 

[HumbleFish]

If I may critique a little - You should never combine treatments unless absolutely necessary. Once you suspected the gramma had velvet, you should have abandoned TT and just treated with copper. Sometimes you're forced to combine treatments. For example, you're treating Ich w/copper, but suddenly discover the fish also has a bad bacterial infection (antibiotics) which can't wait the 1 month of copper. Two rounds of Prazi are best done either before or after copper treatment. Mixing Prazi w/copper should only be done as a measure of last resort.

 

[2FunKids]

qt

qt

If I may critique a little - You should never combine treatments unless absolutely necessary. Once you suspected the gramma had velvet, you should have abandoned TT and just treated with copper. Sometimes you're forced to combine treatments. For example, you're treating Ich w/copper, but suddenly discover the fish also has a bad bacterial infection (antibiotics) which can't wait the 1 month of copper. Two rounds of Prazi are best done either before or after copper treatment. Mixing Prazi w/copper should only be done as a measure of last resort.

You may and thanks, for now I will stay with the copper as recommended. Do you think the Prazi should be a required step in the QT process if I dont see signs of worms/flukes?

Best Regards

 

[Triton_Z]

Do you think the Prazi should be a required step in the QT process if I dont see signs of worms/flukes?

Yes,

You should treat for flukes and worms during the quarantine even without evidence. Prazipro is easy to dose and safe. Flukes are so common nowadays, its best to treat all incoming fish.

 

[MrTuskfish]

Yes,

You should treat for flukes and worms during the quarantine even without evidence. Prazipro is easy to dose and safe. Flukes are so common nowadays, its best to treat all incoming fish.

I agree. There just isn't a downside to PP; and I can't say that about any other med.

 

[HumbleFish]

yes,

you should treat for flukes and worms during the quarantine even without evidence. Prazipro is easy to dose and safe. Flukes are so common nowadays, its best to treat all incoming fish.

+1

 

[SloppyWhenWet]

Qt is rough set up. Hard to keep everything happy. I find aged salt water helps a ton. I use a cobalt 1200 with the air induction set up. Levels change so fast. A seeded sponge will go along way with bacterial. It's just like when you first set up your tank it takes awhile. If you run hob with any stones for help with baterial ich stays. Have to keep ph stable and water levels. I would get multiple sponges seeded in fuge like 4 so you can do take jumps. Plus cover for fish. I have yet to find a great way to do multiple fish at once. Good luck.

 

[HumbleFish]

I have yet to find a great way to do multiple fish at once.

If you're worried about ammonia, Mr. Tusk's suggestion of "seeding" a foam/sponge for a HOB filter is a good one. I've QT'd multiple fish using this method many times. No ammonia. The Aqua Clear powerfilters are perfect for this, especially the 70 and 110 models with their large sponges.

 

[wooden_reefer]

I 'd agree that TT is theoretically sound for ich per se, but there are too many cons.

You don't know what is going to hit your fish in a closed system.

The chance of some pathogenic hitting is reduced by UV, which is a fuss to set up in TT. Also, it is very often more difficult to treat when there is no or not enough nitrification.

QT needs not be stressful to fish when there is robust nitritication, also needs not be urgent as the fish does not experience much stress. It also needs not be stressful to you as you have to do very little, just wait it out with easy active treatment that does not require much work.