Can someone tell me what this is? Pictures included
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alve
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Thanks guys.
spoon671, I don't think that happened or I would have gotten hit too since I had my hands in the tank earlier yesterday
I will keep an eye on it. For sure the fish did not arrive like that. A few days ago I noticed the spot but it was a lot smaller and less visible so it is getting bigger.
spoon671, I don't think that happened or I would have gotten hit too since I had my hands in the tank earlier yesterday
I will keep an eye on it. For sure the fish did not arrive like that. A few days ago I noticed the spot but it was a lot smaller and less visible so it is getting bigger.
Justin,
I see by your tagline that your're an electrician. I'm not, but my understanding is that virtually all eletrical shorts in marine aquariums do not affect the fish directly because they are not grounded. Indirectly, they can die from electrolysis of the water. My father is an electrical engineer and he tried to explain it to me as the same way a bird can perch on a high tension line and not get zapped, but if you climb a ladder and touch it, you'll die.
alve,
I've never seen a lesion quite like that - it sure does look like a burn of some sort. My concern is that it wasn't there before and its getting bigger. "Wait and see" is all I can say, but obviously if it continues to get bigger, something serious is going to happen. On the other hand, a lot of these lesions are self-limiting - reaching a certain size and then resolving on their own.
You seem to indicate that this is a new fish - is it in a quarantine system?
JHemdal
I see by your tagline that your're an electrician. I'm not, but my understanding is that virtually all eletrical shorts in marine aquariums do not affect the fish directly because they are not grounded. Indirectly, they can die from electrolysis of the water. My father is an electrical engineer and he tried to explain it to me as the same way a bird can perch on a high tension line and not get zapped, but if you climb a ladder and touch it, you'll die.
alve,
I've never seen a lesion quite like that - it sure does look like a burn of some sort. My concern is that it wasn't there before and its getting bigger. "Wait and see" is all I can say, but obviously if it continues to get bigger, something serious is going to happen. On the other hand, a lot of these lesions are self-limiting - reaching a certain size and then resolving on their own.
You seem to indicate that this is a new fish - is it in a quarantine system?
JHemdal
alve
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JHemdal,
Thank you for your response. It is a new fish, got the 4 Anthias about 11 days ago and had them in QT until we had a major power outage for most of the day last week. I was going to keep them in there for at least 4 weeks but because of that I had to move them over to the DT after only 5 days of QT
My generator refused to work that day so I had an extension cord running from the outlet in the back of my pick up truck. I just had enough to power the main DT pump and a heater and could not keep the QT running.
Thank you for your response. It is a new fish, got the 4 Anthias about 11 days ago and had them in QT until we had a major power outage for most of the day last week. I was going to keep them in there for at least 4 weeks but because of that I had to move them over to the DT after only 5 days of QT
My generator refused to work that day so I had an extension cord running from the outlet in the back of my pick up truck. I just had enough to power the main DT pump and a heater and could not keep the QT running.
Alve,
I really don't have a clue here, but I'm curious - can you see the lesion from the other side as well? What is odd is that the lesion extends from the scaled area of the fish's body to the fin rays (two totally different parts of the fish's body). That could be a good thing - meaning that it is superficial and only involves the skin itself, not the underlying tissue.
Here are two totally wild guesses: I can think of two reasons that a dark lesion like that might develop - deposition of melanin as a response to some injury or infection (I've seen that in crabs but not fish) or blood pooling under the skin as a reaction to an injury (again, not something I've seen in fish).
Sorry I can't be of any more help......
JHemdal
I really don't have a clue here, but I'm curious - can you see the lesion from the other side as well? What is odd is that the lesion extends from the scaled area of the fish's body to the fin rays (two totally different parts of the fish's body). That could be a good thing - meaning that it is superficial and only involves the skin itself, not the underlying tissue.
Here are two totally wild guesses: I can think of two reasons that a dark lesion like that might develop - deposition of melanin as a response to some injury or infection (I've seen that in crabs but not fish) or blood pooling under the skin as a reaction to an injury (again, not something I've seen in fish).
Sorry I can't be of any more help......
JHemdal
alve
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JHemdal, here is what it looked like today when I got home from work. Yesterday I had noticed that the black spot had turned white.
She has always been hiding behind/in the rock as soon as you come close to the tank but when I feed or keep a distance she does come out and eat and seems to swim normal, like nothing is bothering her. Like you can see it started on the other side of the body as well now.
It definiately does not look good and I don't know what to do. I do not see a chance to catch her easily to get into QT, as soon as I get close to the tank she hides behind/in the rock.
She has always been hiding behind/in the rock as soon as you come close to the tank but when I feed or keep a distance she does come out and eat and seems to swim normal, like nothing is bothering her. Like you can see it started on the other side of the body as well now.
It definiately does not look good and I don't know what to do. I do not see a chance to catch her easily to get into QT, as soon as I get close to the tank she hides behind/in the rock.
odyssey1
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Fungus (Saprolegnia)
Symptoms: Tufts of dirty, cotton-like growth on the skin, can cover large areas of the fish, fish eggs turn white.
Fungal attacks always follow some other health problem like parasitic attack, injury, or bacterial infection. The symptoms are a gray or whitish growth in and on the skin and/or fins of the fish. Eventually, if left untreated, these growths will become cottony looking. The fungus, if left untreated, will eventually eat away on the fish until it finally dies.
After ascertaining the initial cause of the fungus and remedying that, use a solution of phenoxethol at 1% in distilled water. Add 10 ml of this solution per liter of aquarium water. Repeat after a few days if needed, but only once more as three treatments could be dangerous to aquarium inhabitants. If the symptoms are severe the fish can be removed from the aquarium and swabbed with a cloth that has been treated with small amounts of povidone iodine or mercurochrome.
Symptoms: Tufts of dirty, cotton-like growth on the skin, can cover large areas of the fish, fish eggs turn white.
Fungal attacks always follow some other health problem like parasitic attack, injury, or bacterial infection. The symptoms are a gray or whitish growth in and on the skin and/or fins of the fish. Eventually, if left untreated, these growths will become cottony looking. The fungus, if left untreated, will eventually eat away on the fish until it finally dies.
After ascertaining the initial cause of the fungus and remedying that, use a solution of phenoxethol at 1% in distilled water. Add 10 ml of this solution per liter of aquarium water. Repeat after a few days if needed, but only once more as three treatments could be dangerous to aquarium inhabitants. If the symptoms are severe the fish can be removed from the aquarium and swabbed with a cloth that has been treated with small amounts of povidone iodine or mercurochrome.
odyssey1
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No. it is an antibiotic and you will need to remove the fish. Sorry
here is a link to some items you will need. It is a fungas that is causing the white cotton look but there is a disease there most likely. This will treat the fungas and keep it from spreading but you should feed him alot of foods with garlic and vitamins to try to keep him in the best of health. Once the fungas is gone you can concentrate on the disease that has caused the fungas I will do some digging to see what I can come up with hope this helps!
http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/product/categoryInfoL3.web?options.passInCategoryKey=22952
here is a link to some items you will need. It is a fungas that is causing the white cotton look but there is a disease there most likely. This will treat the fungas and keep it from spreading but you should feed him alot of foods with garlic and vitamins to try to keep him in the best of health. Once the fungas is gone you can concentrate on the disease that has caused the fungas I will do some digging to see what I can come up with hope this helps!
http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/product/categoryInfoL3.web?options.passInCategoryKey=22952
alve
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I will see if I can buy it locally tomorrow, otherwise order it online and have it shipped overnight. I will also setup the QT tonight and hopefully tomorrow I can catch the fish and that will not be easy. For the last two days I thought it was dead because I couldn't see it for hours and then suddenly it was out for a couple minutes and then disappears again for hours.
If I can not catch the fish and it dies in the tank, will that cause a problem for the other fish?
Actually, even if I catch it and get it in QT, will the other fish be affected as well? I would imagine since it is a fungus it would need a wound or so to grow that it does not cause a danger for the other, healthy fish?
Thank you for your help Odyssey1!
If I can not catch the fish and it dies in the tank, will that cause a problem for the other fish?
Actually, even if I catch it and get it in QT, will the other fish be affected as well? I would imagine since it is a fungus it would need a wound or so to grow that it does not cause a danger for the other, healthy fish?
Thank you for your help Odyssey1!
odyssey1
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It looks like tit could be a bacterial problem once the fungas is cleared you should see it getting better by feeding with garlic and vitamins. Keep him well fed to help the healing process. Feed him as much as he will eat to try to keep him from pecking at things in the tank. I have tried garlic cloves from the gracery store and cut them into small pieces and smashed them and mixed into food and fed to fish this seems to speed up the process. This is messy and has a bad odor but really helps. The fish like the smell also and seem to prefer it over the food.
odyssey1
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Every morning I get up and have a mini heart attack thinking that one of my fish misteriously dissappeared then after 5 min. looking for it out it comes. I dont know how I keep myself out of the hospital from it. It is funny how attached you can get over a little fish!!
If it dies which it shouldnt but if does you will want to get it out because all fish will produce some toxins in the water so try to find it and remove it. You will want a good skimmer also this will help to remove the dead organic stuff left behind. If it is a fungas it will take about a week to eat away at the skin so you should have time dont fret take your time and dose accordinaly dont over do it or think it.
If it dies which it shouldnt but if does you will want to get it out because all fish will produce some toxins in the water so try to find it and remove it. You will want a good skimmer also this will help to remove the dead organic stuff left behind. If it is a fungas it will take about a week to eat away at the skin so you should have time dont fret take your time and dose accordinaly dont over do it or think it.
alve
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I have been feeding mysis shrimp soaked in Selcon and Garlic Extreme for the last three days and will keep doing it. I might even add some real garlic as you mentioned instead of the Garlic Extreme.
If the fish dies by the time I get him out, could that cause an infection on all the fish in my DT?
just dave in the general discussion forum came up with this for what could be the black spot. What do you think?
One fungus, Exophiala , is an occasional parasite of ornamental marine fishes. This fungus is pigmented and appears as a black tuft on the body, often in an area which has sustained damage. The fungus is invasive, affecting the musculature and internal organs. In the rare instances where fungi such as Exophiala are present, standard treatments with formalin or malachite green prove useful for control.
Fungal diseases are quite uncommon in marine fishes, despite accounts in various popular texts Saprolegnia fungal infections of marine fishes, complete with pictures. While
Saprolegnia-type infections are common in freshwater fishes, there is no such counterpart in marine fishes. Popular accounts of Saprolegnia infections of marine fishes should for the most part be considered erroneous.
AQUARIOLOGY , The Science of Fish Health Management by Dr. John B. Gratzek.
If the fish dies by the time I get him out, could that cause an infection on all the fish in my DT?
just dave in the general discussion forum came up with this for what could be the black spot. What do you think?
One fungus, Exophiala , is an occasional parasite of ornamental marine fishes. This fungus is pigmented and appears as a black tuft on the body, often in an area which has sustained damage. The fungus is invasive, affecting the musculature and internal organs. In the rare instances where fungi such as Exophiala are present, standard treatments with formalin or malachite green prove useful for control.
Fungal diseases are quite uncommon in marine fishes, despite accounts in various popular texts Saprolegnia fungal infections of marine fishes, complete with pictures. While
Saprolegnia-type infections are common in freshwater fishes, there is no such counterpart in marine fishes. Popular accounts of Saprolegnia infections of marine fishes should for the most part be considered erroneous.
AQUARIOLOGY , The Science of Fish Health Management by Dr. John B. Gratzek.
odyssey1
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this could be but there are cases of this and since this fish is new to your tank who knows what it could be or where it came from. I would stick to what we discussed and see what happens. It could have come from some kind of damage suffered before it was caught and kind of like brused like humans and got a fungas whos really to say. The fungas could have come from all of the stress from moving from tank to tank along with the danaged spot caused the fungas. These are all possibilities. I guess you will know when you do the treatment. The treatment will not kill the fish. The fish should be removed if you can find it!!
alve
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Oops, you were faster in posting than me. I will get everything ready for treatment and will try to catch the fish.
Yeah, I want to help that fish and try to heal it. I am sure some people would have written it off already and would just go buy another one to replace. I want to try to heal it and hope it will survive.
Thanks again for the help! I have spent hours looking online trying to figure out what it was but I kept concentrating on the black spot and ignored the info about fungus because that said white, fluffy spots.
Yeah, I want to help that fish and try to heal it. I am sure some people would have written it off already and would just go buy another one to replace. I want to try to heal it and hope it will survive.
Thanks again for the help! I have spent hours looking online trying to figure out what it was but I kept concentrating on the black spot and ignored the info about fungus because that said white, fluffy spots.
odyssey1
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the key there was that it wasent there and all of a sudden it started to turn white and then cottony. I would like to hope that this just came from a bruse that was suffered and became infected and a fungas appeared if so this treatment along with a healthy diet and he will be back to normal in no time.
I am like you it is more of a challenge treating a fish than just waiting for it to die. I think that is why we are here helping other people. I have had alot of help in the past and now I try to give it when ever I can.
I am like you it is more of a challenge treating a fish than just waiting for it to die. I think that is why we are here helping other people. I have had alot of help in the past and now I try to give it when ever I can.
