Can't convince my buddy

[Megatrev62]

This was touched on earlier. Can't convince my buddy to forget about purchasing a clown trigger for his 108 60" hagen tank. He has a lionfish in there(only fish for the last 2 months since setting up). The trigger is only 3 inches and the lion is like 4.5 inches. Regardless it doesn't help when the owner of the LFS has a clown trigger with a lionfish in a 72 bow. "NO PROBLEMS" been together for 1.5 years and the lion is 9 inches-trigger 7 inches. Blows me away. My friend is listening intently to him and I am ignored. Oh well I told him good luck and it is definitely not recommended. The FS scoffs at sites like this and it ticks me off. Anyway just wanted to mention it.

How can you deal with such a situation without ticking off the owner of the store which is a good guy really? No one else to deal with in this non existent salt town. Thanks just venting really.

 

[Recty]

There's not a lot you can do there, and irritating the owner of the only LFS is a bad idea as well. Sure, you can always order online but what happens when you have an emergency and need something RIGHT THEN? You wont want to wait for 2 day shipping.

Once you've explained thoroughly, and it sounds like you have already done it, to your friend why he shouldnt do it, then it's out of your hands. A lot of LFS have tanks that the average hobbyist cant replicate, it's just the way things work.

 

[geaux xman]

180g 60" you mean?

 

[Megatrev62]

No 108 gallon hagen tank. 60"x 18"x 24". Thank you

 

[BANDIT ANGEL]

Triggers are very aggressive to other tankmates, my friend's clown trigger "plucked" all of his lion's spine so the lion was dead because of infection. Adult triggers also prone to nip on electric wire.

 

[MrTuskfish]

I remember a similar thread with your buddy. Same reasoning applies. If he wants to take the advice of the LFS guy after all you've been through with him; its his decision. Why worry about the LFS guy? You're not going to change him. Maybe call Dr. Laura, I think she specializes in this sort of thing.

 

[Clay]

Unfortunately, when saying usually (as is this case), the desire to have the exception points to an example of the exception to disprove the usual.

In other words, it's unlikely that you're going to be able to convince him of anything different that the example he can see where it's working. But we know that this example is the exception to the rule, and that is that some how, some time, that clown trigger will likely kill the lion.

 

[MrTuskfish]

Unfortunately, when saying usually (as is this case), the desire to have the exception points to an example of the exception to disprove the usual.

In other words, it's unlikely that you're going to be able to convince him of anything different that the example he can see where it's working. But we know that this example is the exception to the rule, and that is that some how, some time, that clown trigger will likely kill the lion.

It will.......Unless it doesn't. At that point pics of the CT & lion will spread and this happy little couple will become the poster children for everyone who wants to do this and the experience will be posted on every thread asking the same type of question. Its amazing, in this hobby/addiction, how quickly exceptions become more and more possible. Unfortunately, the failures always far outnumber the successes and are seldom reported. CTs and Lions are so incompatible, long-term, I'm amazed hobbyists can do enough research to set up a tank and still think its possible. Its like the threads that start out "....has anyone ever kept a whatever with a whatever". Of course someone has. Someone, somewhere, has done everything in this hobby; with at least some short term success. I'll bet that, at least half of these questions, the fish are already together and the OP is just looking for support.

 

[Megatrev62]

Yes MrTuskfish a little support would be great. lol People are going to try things because they hope for the best. What gets me about this is the store does not say"don't do it". He has the same fish in his tank so it "can be done". All info on the net and books too suggest otherwise. If he gets it I told him I hope the lion is attacked and then he'll have to remove one or the other.

 

[namxas]

There is always the alternative outcome...the trigger could get envenomated, become totally paralyzed and may or may not succumb as a result.

Back in the "olden days" of my SW hobby (we're talking 20 years ago), I kept a volitans with a picasso. Everything was going fine for a few years until the picasso got some size on it, became aggressive, and swooped in to snag the lion's food. It found the lion's dorsal spines instead, became completely paralyzed within about 5 mins (we're talking floating helplessly on the surface here), and was never "quite right" after that. It died within a month.

 

[MrTuskfish]

There is always the alternative outcome...the trigger could get envenomated, become totally paralyzed and may or may not succumb as a result.

Back in the "olden days" of my SW hobby (we're talking 20 years ago), I kept a volitans with a picasso. Everything was going fine for a few years until the picasso got some size on it, became aggressive, and swooped in to snag the lion's food. It found the lion's dorsal spines instead, became completely paralyzed within about 5 mins (we're talking floating helplessly on the surface here), and was never "quite right" after that. It died within a month.

Yeah, years ago, I had a small Niger nailed by a med Volitan, same thing happened, but it just swam in circles for 3-4 days, then died.

I wonder if the RC program would handle a pari-mutual odds board? Kinda like the ''polls" that are posted once in a while. A little diversion for these situations.

 

[josea1952]

I have a Clown Trigger because it came with my tank. I can't help to think I'm sitting on a ticking time bomb. There's just to many cases where they become too aggressive and turn on tank mates. I'm on a search for a much larger tank now with hopes and dreams that it might help avoid the issue or I'll just get rid of it before it happens, shame too its a beautiful fish. For now I just keep them full of food.

 

[Clay]

I have a 375g and a 4" clown trigger in a 29g waiting (qtine). I don't have anything else at the moment, but I want to add a blue faced angel, possibly a harlequin tusk, and maybe a few faster fish - maybe some anthias for color and movement? I know that the clown *may* kill the other fish, but I want to try with the 500g system (125g sump, 375g tank) to see if I can get it to work. I'm hoping that with enough space and various structures, the clown trigger will be fine with it.

 

[danielbui23]

In life, Experience is more of a teacher than most people.