Can't get good photo under t5's

Big E

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I never had any trouble taking pics that looked exactly how they look in my tank in real life with metal halide lighting.

I am now using T5's and can't get a good pic. They all have a blue tint. I have set the white balance more than once & still can't get the color right.

The camera is a Cannon G3

This pic was in Manual with a custom white balance.

F/5 1/50

I set white balance by placing a white pvc pipe in the front window inside the tank. I make sure the view screen is completely covered by this pipe then hit the "set white balance" button.

Any suggestions?
 
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Shoot in RAW and adjust WB in post processing. You should also turn your pumps off and let things settle for a bit.
 
I want to be able to take correct pictures, not photoshop them with the computer.


I'm not in search of band aids or other photo tips on water movement, but thanks for responding.
 
Any suggestions?

See, you asked.

I want to be able to take correct pictures, not photoshop them with the computer.
I'm not in search of band aids or other photo tips on water movement, but thanks for responding.

Your camera isn't made to deal with the light our tanks use. On the water movement, that will stop the snow visible in the pic. Don't ask questions if you don't want the only answer there is.
 
See, you asked{/quote]

Yes, I did and thanked you for it.................and I clarified what I'm looking for in help. I want to take correct pictures to show the correct coral colors & eliminate the blue tint.

No program is going to add back the colors in a picture that doesn't have them. In the pic the clown colors are correct but the coral isn't. Something on the camera isn't set right. The blue is overwelming the coral due to exposure or white balance. That is where I'm asking for help.

Your camera isn't made to deal with the light our tanks use

Ummm, ok these were taken with the same camera & that's the same coral.


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I've taken hundreds of photos that look fine under different spectrums of metal halides. Since I've had the T5's I can't seem to get the colors correct.

I've seen plenty of pictures on RC where people have the colors dead on using T5's.
 
Shooting RAW and adjusting white balance after the shot IS the correct way to get the color right.
 
Doh! It took me too long to type my response and beerguy slid in there. Here's what I wanted to say.

Misled (and now Doug) is correct, and here's why.

When the camera saves a pic as a jpg, it applies what it thinks is the proper white balance. High color temperature lighting, such as we often use for reef tanks, is beyond the range of color temps that camera manufacturers think people shoot under. So the camera is not capable of applying proper automatic white balancing. The resulting jpgs are way too blue.

One can attempt to use a custom white balance along the lines of capturing something white and having the camera use that as a basis for white balancing. In my experience, while an improvement over auto white balance, this is still more hassle and results in less accurate colors than shooting in RAW mode and setting the white balance during post processing.

When you shoot in RAW mode, the camera is not saving a jpg which the camera has already applied white balance to. The camera saves the raw image sensor data, not a final image. This is one reason raw files are much larger than jpgs. During post processing, the human, whose eyes are much better visual imagers than any camera sensor ever made, applies the appropriate white balance to yield very accurate colors.

This is not "photoshopping" a picture. It is white balancing the image during post processing to yield the most accurate representation of what the eye sees as possible. There are a number of programs which allow one to post process raw files.

Also, it is not the program adding back colors which aren't in the picture. It's the program applying white balance under human control to the raw data that the image sensor captured. Then the image can be saved as any image file type, such as jpg.

"Photoshopping" a pic often refers to altering an image in a deceitful way, typically cranking up the saturation to present the subject as much more colorful than it actually is, or adding visual elements which weren't present originally.

To sum up, camera cannot auto white balance high color temperature lighting. It is not made to. Saving the raw image sensor data instead of a jpg in the camera allows the photographer to white balance the image data later, producing a very accurate image of what the photographer saw when he snapped the pic.

Does that make sense?

FWIW, I also am not a fan of shooting under T5s, as for me, the pictures look very pale and flat, compared with shots under MHs. But I can get the colors right! :)
 
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Thanks RB, that's better than what I was just quoting from somewhere else!!! :lol:
 
Okay, thanks for the more detailed explanation.

I don't have a program that adjusts white balance. All I have is brightness, contrast, & color intensity to work with. That's where my confusion came in on how I was going to eliminate the blue tint post picture.

I called adjusting the white balance photoshopping because you need a program, which I don't have to make that change.

Is there a free one I can download? Or just suggest a few programs I can use & I'll go from there.
 
The software that came with your camera should work. If you don't have it, go to Canon's website, or google raw editor.
 
Do you have a way to set manual white balance? On my Panasonic I use manual, 10K. Auto white balance using a white source under light just doesn't work, probably explained above. :)
 
Im not sure his camera (G3) can shoot raw. If my memory is correct the first Canon G with the ability to shoot raw was the G5.

Big E.
If you can shoot raw you want to get a hold of Canon's editor (DPP) or Digital Photo Pro. Shoot in raw and then adjust your WB in post.
 
I am not a professional photographer, and the guys above know way more... but you stated the color on the clown was right but the coral was blue tinted.... the white stripe on your clown is blue tinted to showing that the white balance was off on the whole image not just the coral.
 
GREAT explanation

GREAT explanation

Doh! It took me too long to type my response and beerguy slid in there. Here's what I wanted to say.

Misled (and now Doug) is correct, and here's why.

When the camera saves a pic as a jpg, it applies what it thinks is the proper white balance. High color temperature lighting, such as we often use for reef tanks, is beyond the range of color temps that camera manufacturers think people shoot under. So the camera is not capable of applying proper automatic white balancing. The resulting jpgs are way too blue.

One can attempt to use a custom white balance along the lines of capturing something white and having the camera use that as a basis for white balancing. In my experience, while an improvement over auto white balance, this is still more hassle and results in less accurate colors than shooting in RAW mode and setting the white balance during post processing.

When you shoot in RAW mode, the camera is not saving a jpg which the camera has already applied white balance to. The camera saves the raw image sensor data, not a final image. This is one reason raw files are much larger than jpgs. During post processing, the human, whose eyes are much better visual imagers than any camera sensor ever made, applies the appropriate white balance to yield very accurate colors.

This is not "photoshopping" a picture. It is white balancing the image during post processing to yield the most accurate representation of what the eye sees as possible. There are a number of programs which allow one to post process raw files.

Also, it is not the program adding back colors which aren't in the picture. It's the program applying white balance under human control to the raw data that the image sensor captured. Then the image can be saved as any image file type, such as jpg.

"Photoshopping" a pic often refers to altering an image in a deceitful way, typically cranking up the saturation to present the subject as much more colorful than it actually is, or adding visual elements which weren't present originally.

To sum up, camera cannot auto white balance high color temperature lighting. It is not made to. Saving the raw image sensor data instead of a jpg in the camera allows the photographer to white balance the image data later, producing a very accurate image of what the photographer saw when he snapped the pic.

Does that make sense?

FWIW, I also am not a fan of shooting under T5s, as for me, the pictures look very pale and flat, compared with shots under MHs. But I can get the colors right! :)



This was a great explanation, and i know it took some time to type up.....Thanks
 
When you're ready to buy editing software................Try Lightroom. It's great for adjusting white balance. I have both photoshop and lightroom and almost exclusively use lightroom now, unless doing composites. Lightroom is really easy to do batch processing so you can change WB on all your images of a session, or just a portion of the photos. Maybe that's possible with PS but Lightroom is much cheaper! Once you see how much better your images are when shooting RAW you'll rarely switch back to JPEG.
 
Just an update.........I had a lot of trouble getting the software for my camera because I now have windows 7 & the old software with the camera wouldn't work.

Eventually I was able to get that all updated(ZoomBrowser for my G3) & also with a version of Canon's DPP I now have software I can work with.

I was able to read some tips to use with the camera to also make the raw image better or easier to work with post process.

Thanks for all the explanations & help.
 
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