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I'm thoroughly confused now. Seems just about everyone says to use the TTM but now this article from Mark. Not sure what to do.


There are a lot on false things in this article. TTM does not treat velvet for one. Read the sticky on here about TTM. He even acknowledges on the comments that he needs to revisit his article.
 
This is not a good thread to promote TTM

I did TTM and everything was great. I did use a powerhead for more flow but same basic setup. Plus a nice square colander to move fish rather than netting them reduced stress.
 
I'm thoroughly confused now. Seems just about everyone says to use the TTM but now this article from Mark. Not sure what to do.

Do note that he says he uses copper instead. That's a while nother set of downsides, a lot of people have switched from copper to ttm because it's less hard on fish and easier to get right.
 
This is not a good thread to promote TTM

I did TTM and everything was great. I did use a powerhead for more flow but same basic setup. Plus a nice square colander to move fish rather than netting them reduced stress.

I'm sure this thread could be used by someone who might have the same problem as me for TTM.
 
Well there are a lot of variables.

People say TTM causes stress because of the constant handling and transfers. In your case you has issues almost immediately with a single transfer once in the tank. That says to me that either the fish are beyond sick or a problem with either the setup/contamination/parameters in tanks being different.

All you really did was move a fish from one tank to another tank. Like you bought it from the store and put it in a qt tank. Sure that may be stressful for a fish, but you'd do this with any fish you bought even if you were transferring from a fish store to a display tank unless I'm missing something.

I still recommend more than an airstone for oxygen and flow. I'd rather air on the side of caution than worry there isn't enough oxygen.
 
I think this is a known with TTM about it causing stress. I think that's how its effective because ich will show up when the fish is stressed and then fall off and that's how TTM is good for it because it leaves the eggs behind. It is interesting about it may causing velvet though.

Just for clarification to your comment, it is not about causing stress so Ich shows and will fall off, it is about interrupting the lifecycle, whether it is visible or not. You may find it helpful to read the stickies about the lifecycle of Ich.

Sure there is some stress but I don't find it significant. I find they act more stressed with the initial introduction then by the subsequent transfers. I have used it many times and every fish that ends up in my display goes through tank transfer first, even sensitive fish such as leopard wrasses.
It is very effective and for myself find it relatively easy and well worth the effort.
 
Since I already bought four of everything I'm going to start out with the TTM. It seems to work for many forum members and I'm not crazy about using copper. Should I fill all four tanks at the same time and normalize temperature to limit stress?
 
Since I already bought four of everything I'm going to start out with the TTM. It seems to work for many forum members and I'm not crazy about using copper. Should I fill all four tanks at the same time and normalize temperature to limit stress?

You really only need 2 of everything with cleaning and drying for 24 hours between uses. Nothing wrong with additional sets though, probably makes it even easier.
No need to set them all up at the same time. I set the next tank up the day before the transfer and make sure to match salinity and temp. Doesnt take long for temp to stabilize, especially if you start with water close to your desired temperature.
 
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