Chad's Simultaneous 225 SPS & 180 FOWLR Office Build

Mr. Brooks

MASVC Member
Hey guys!

So I've finally decided to start my build thread. The 225 has been in the works for well over a year now while the 180 is a recent addition to my plans. I've finally gotten to a point where I can start documenting the actual build. I've learned SO much from this web site and others such as wetwebmedia.com. My goal is to bring all that information together and make it easily accessable to everyone, including the new guys. I'm still learning and I hope to get all the input I can. I'll be posting my experience with the vendors I've worked with including links to each as well as the products I've used and try to give fair and unbiased reviews.

I'll start with my entry to the hobby, a little freshwater eclipse tank that I picked up in high school:

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Several years later, a friend of mine was downsizing from a 135 and I decided to take the plunge into saltwater. I don't have any pictures of what it looked like originally but it was in pretty bad shape. I sanded the stain off the stand and canopy and painted it black using a semi gloss oil paint. This project took WAY too long. I can say with confidence that wood working is not my forte. I also took off the blue paint on the back glass and replaced it with black. This took several tries before I got it right. I wasted a lot of paint before I could get it to stop wrinkling up on me. I originally set up the tank in what was going to be my office. I threw a bunch of difficult fish in way too fast and ended up killing all of them. My personality doesn't allow for failures so I went back to the drawing board, added a refugium and a used chiller (included in the chiller sale was a super cheap 55 gallon setup). I increased the flow going through the sump and changed my aquascape to allow for more flow behind the rocks. I also moved the tank to my reception. It would be a while before I could move into the executive office. Here's a shot of the 135 in its prime:

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I had decided that I'd never be interested in keeping corals. I thought that it'd be way too expensive and difficult to build and maintain a reef. Isn't it funny how things change?

Well I ran the 135 successfully for quite a while, which completely amazes me considering the junk skimmer I had and how overstocked the tank was. Eventually the whole thing came crashing down and I completely lost interest. The tank is still running and I have a couple fish that survived the second crash. A Mappa puffer, Passer Angel, Yellow Tang, and a large Maroon Clown.

My interest slowly came back and I decided to start a nano reef tank. I've had a lot of success with my nano. I think they're the perfect entry into this hobby. A lot can be said for nano tanks.

So with interest fully restored, I kept my eyes open on craigslist.com for a smoking deal. I came up on a 225g black back acrylic tank with a center overflow 72"x24"x30" tall. It came with a black MDF (particle board) stand and canopy.

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The whole set up had been bought brand new from Advanced Aqua Tanks and had never seen water. In hind site I wish I'd looked at the stand and canopy more closely before making my purchase. The fantastic deal I got on the tank was slightly negated by the poor quality of the stand and canopy. The MDF I could handle but the canopy is only 8" tall. Not optimal height for metal halides. The canopy is also not flip top. Try reaching your arm past an 8" tall canopy and into a 30" tall tank. There's also four small openings in the front of the stand that would make it difficult to get under and do any maintenance. Thankfully I thought this through before getting started.

I began my search for a stand and canopy builder armed with a photo of what I was looking for. I found this tank on another thread, it was built by a guy in Florida I believe. The wood on this stand and canopy is African Mahogany:

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I was directed to Jeff Cowel by five.five-six. We've been working on the plans for several weeks. It looks like he'll be getting started shortly. I'll be sure to post pictures as soon as I have something to show.

This new plan of action was going to leave me with an extra stand and canopy. I posted it for sale on recycler.com, craigslist and ebay with no luck. After about a month I decided to start looking for a cheap 180. The footprint is the same with both tanks 6'x2', my 225 is 6" taller. The 180 had to have a built in overflow. My old 135 that the 180 is going to replace has two CPR overflow boxes on it. Theses have worked for me for a very long time. They only lost their syphon once due to a clog, which for me was once too many. This was the real reason and justification for the 225 upgrade.

I was originally just going to go with a single reef tank in my office and sell the 135. This would leave an empty wall in reception that I'd have to fill with something. It also meant I'd have to get rid of most of my remaining fish which I've grown quite fond of. So as long as I could find a good deal on a 180 with a built in overflow, all I'd have to do is swap some of the rock, sand, lights and filtration from the 135 over to the 180. it would take up the same amount of room because I'd be able to but the 180 up against the wall. At this point I'd bought a ASM G4 Plus to eventually go on the 225 so my skimmer problem was solved and would be able to handle a fish only 180. I'd also decided that the G4 Plus was not going to be enough for what I wanted to do with the 225 so I already had plans for an upgrade anyway.

So now it came down to a question of whether or not I wanted to take on the daunting task of building and maintaining two large tanks. I took a look at what I don't enjoy about this hobby. Water changes and top off. I used to lug 5 gallon jugs of store bought saltwater all over town. I decided if I could make those two things easier than maintaining two large tanks would be a breeze.

I got started on planning a top off system and water change station in my warehouse. I researched RO/DI setups for a while and decided on the Spectrapure Maxcap. It was a little expensive but my research tells me it will be worth every penny. Pristine water quality is something we are all constantly striving for. Good water quality starts with good source RO/DI water. I really don't believe in cutting corners on something as basic as my RO/DI. I installed it next to the sink in the mens room. It was a relatively easy install. I had to place a couple seperate orders to get all the fittings I needed as well as the auto shut off valve. This valve shuts off the feed water as soon as it senses pressure backing up in the line. So when the float switch on your reservoir shuts off you don't waste any feed water. I'll put pictures of this up in another post but this is basically how it will be set up: Clean RO/DI water will travel up over the drop ceiling. T off to the saltwater mixing station and the QT. Then T off to reception, then continue over the ceiling to my office, go between the wall and pop out at the same height as the power outlets. This way I can cover the hole easily if I ever take everything down. This will then fill a 5 gallon reservoir that will be connected to a Tunze Osmolator top off device. I'll use the cheaper JBJ top off device on the 180 and the QT.

I bought a used 100 gallon storage tank that I need to clean and set up. I'm just waiting for some fittings from savko.com. I took advantage of Reeflo's 2007 Dart clearance sale and bought two of em. One will be on the 100 gallon saltwater mixing station and the other will go on the 180 to replace some Rio Hyper Flows (these are decent pumps but I've noticed they add a TON of heat to the tank). I could've used one of the Rio's on the mixing station but I wanted to be able to mix up a fresh batch of saltwater really quick. I also wanted to set it up in a way that would make water changes as easy as possible. So by turning two ball valves I'll be able to pump new saltwer via a hose to any of my three tanks. I didn't think the Rio would be strong enough for this. And at the deal Reeflo was offering it was a no brainer. I'll end up throttling back the pump to maintain flow during storage.

You may have noticed I mentioned a QT. I decided that a quaranteen tank was going to be an absolute necessity. If you remember I'd picked up a 55 gallon setup when I bought my chiller. I'd tried to sell it but had no luck and ended up storing it in my warehouse.

I set up the 55 gallon QT tank two weeks ago. It has cycled already using a filter bag of bio balls I'd kept in the 135's sump in case I ever wanted to seed another tank. It has a refugium, sump, UV sterilizer and a Coralife protien skimmer. It also has three VHO ballasts and some old bulbs. I'm hoping that these will be enough to quaranteen SPS corals when the time comes. I'll of course post pictures of this and many other goodies very shortly. For now I think I need to give my fingers a break. :rollface: More to come soon!

Chad
 
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So here's a list of what I have for the 225 so far:

Reeflo Barracuda return pump, I'll be running a manifold off of this to feed the chiller and reactors
Reeflo Dart closed loop pump
custom 3 chamber sump 48"x20"x20"
Oceans Motions 4-way (return)
2 - 3/4" Sea Swirls (closed loop)
Deltec AP851 protein skimmer, this will be gravity fed
live rock, currently cooking in two Brute trash cans, I'll also be bringing a bunch of rock over from the 135
TONS of PVC fittings from savko.com, flexpvc.com and mcmaster.com

Here's my list of items I intend to get over the next few months:

custom stand and canopy with sliding light rack
add a sock holder to hold two socks in the first chamber of the sump. As well as another baffle to reduce bubbles
Vortech powerhead with battery back up
3 - Coralvue 400 watt ballasts, 12k Reeflux bulbs, Lumenbright reflectors
2 media reactors, not sure which ones yet
calcium reactor, not sure on this one either, suggestions?
Aquacontroller Jr.
I'll need to get a lot more sugar fine sand, enough to make a 4" sand bed
moon lights
cooling fans for the canopy

That's all I can think of at the moment.

I think I should mention that this is my first attempt at keeping SPS corals. Although I've kept a fish only tank for quite some time, my experience with coral is limited to my nano. 225 gallons is a large jump from a nano but I'm confident I can pull it off. I considered starting smaller but I've seen so many threads where people needed to undergo complicated upgrades to larger tanks because thier corals were running out of room. I've seen a lot of people lose corals and fish during these transfers. The plan is to go big while making every effort I can to do it right the first time. Thus allowing my corals PLENTY of room to grow and fill out the tank over the next few years. I'm hoping that the input I get from this thread will help keep me clear of any big mistakes.

I should also mention that I've had to be very budget conscience from the start. Many of the items I have now are used. Including my Deltec skimmer.

OK, enough talk, here's some eye candy:

the tank..
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equipment so far..
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QT..
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under the QT, I overfilled the sump a bit..
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More pictures to follow...
 
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live rock cooking..
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upside down and dirty 180..
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dirty 100g slatwater mixing and holding container..
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Current 135 in reception, a bit neglected..
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more to follow...
 
My desk. I moved in two weeks ago, the tank will sit opposite the desk..
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view from my office, window's a bit dirty..
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Drum set in the corner, the tank will be to the right..
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Spectrapure Maxcap RO/DI in the mens room. This is cosidered the "warehouse utility" restroom so I don't need to worry about making it look pretty..
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That's all for now.
 
I wanted to explain my reasoning behind the flow set up I've chosen. I did a bunch of research on most of the items available and this is what I came up with:

Tunze pros:
very minimal energy usage
Optimal flow pattern
high quality product
can be hooked up to a controller to simulate waves and such

Tunze cons:
large footprint (takes up the most space of the three types mentioned)
wires in the tank
heat transfer

Vortech pros:
almost no heat transfer
very wide optimal flow pattern
undertow effect
doesn't take up a lot of room in the tank
no wires in tank
controllabe, can create wave effect
battery backup in case of power outtages
minimal energy usage

Vortech cons:
can't aim it (but this doesn't reallly matter because the flow pattern is so wide).
some people say its loud but I don't think so, you can only hear it when its cranked IMO
the first version had a couple bugs. But as far as I know they're all fixed now.

Closed loop pros:
no heat transfer
practically invisible in the tank
can be done cheaply

Closed loop cons:
cannot be changed easily once installed
Not as energy efficient as the other two options
you may need to buy expensive wave devices like sea swirls and wavy seas to break up the flow
takes a bit of plumbing know how and planning
Potentially need to put holes in your tank
can end up being very expensive depending on how far you want to take it
can also be very ugly and bulky under the tank if you don't plan it out right

For me the two most important things were heat transfer and visibility in the tank. I also HATE seeing wires. I bought everything for my closed loop before the vortechs came out so I decided to use both a closed loop and a Vortech in conjunction.
 
I thought some of you might get a kick out of this, it's a set of plans I drew up when I was rebuilding the 135..
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That 2nd pic is awesome w/ all the pink/purple coralline on the LR. I'm following your thread, keep us posted as it progresses.
 
Thanks mcbaes72! I dug up the old junk skimmer, some no name brand. The new skimmers on the left for comparison and a Red Sea bucket of salt good for 175 gallons for reference. The Deltec is 30" tall with an 8" body.

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That stand will be so much nicer than black MDF. It's going to be hard to get any work done in that office staring at the tank all day. Your water change system is a great idea, maintenance is more likely to get done when it's designed into the system like that. You might be ok with the 3 400w Lumenbrights, at first was worried about a big MH over the acrylic center brace but remembered you need to hang those reflectors higher to get the spread. I started with a nano a few years back too, reefing sure is addicting. Keep us posted.

Charles
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13151294#post13151294 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MIKE HUNT
Looks good so far, nice view from your office - what kind of work do you do besides messing with fish tanks :)

Thanks! Would you believe this office was used as a storage room for the last two years? When we first moved into the building I needed to keep everything centrally located on a single "host" computer. I finally bought a server and set up a network which allowed me to branch out from the other work stations. I spent two years "temporarily" facing a corner in my old office. Projects like upgrading an entire computer system can sometimes take a back seat to daily operations.

I'm a wholesaler and manufacturer of specialty ceiling tools and fasteners. Basically we make and sell some of the items a contracter might use to install a drop ceiling, the type of ceiling with square tiles you threw pencils at in high school.

I try to limit my fish tank tinkering to after hours.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13151521#post13151521 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CHASDB
That stand will be so much nicer than black MDF. It's going to be hard to get any work done in that office staring at the tank all day. Your water change system is a great idea, maintenance is more likely to get done when it's designed into the system like that. You might be ok with the 3 400w Lumenbrights, at first was worried about a big MH over the acrylic center brace but remembered you need to hang those reflectors higher to get the spread. I started with a nano a few years back too, reefing sure is addicting. Keep us posted.

Charles

I know! I'm pretty excited about it. I really think I'll have a lot more fun with this whole project having the water change system in place. I hadn't mentioned this yet but I'm installing a single union ball valve on the closed loop input. The holes for the closed loop will be drilled a third of the way down on the back of the tank. There'll be two 1 1/2" holes connecting at a 2" T and then going down to the Dart. If you look closely at my pictures you can see the plumbing already set up, it's sitting on one of the boxes. I'll be able to quickly connect a hose to the union, put the other end in the toilet of the mens's room, turn the ball valve and watch the water drain to the desired level. Then I'll take that same hose, connect it to a single union ball valve on the 100 gallon mixing container, turn the valve, and voila! Large water change in less than 5 minutes by my estimation.

That center brace was a big concern. It's one of the factors that went into my decision to have a new stand and canopy built. It was also one of several factors that swayed me towards the lumenbright reflectors. The canopy will be 22" tall, which is too tall for a metal halide without a reflector. The lumenbright's however, will allow me to install the lights on the roof of the canopy while still penetrating deep into the tank. So with some good ventilation I don't foresee any problems with the center brace.
 
Ok guys, I need your help. Jeff took a look at my desk and noticed all the doors were flat panel. I was originally going to go with raised panel which I normally prefer. But it might look cool to have the tank match the desk. What do you think?

raised panel..
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flat panel..
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my desk..
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This is the last decision I need to make before he can get started.
 
Looks awesome thechad21!

I have to vote for flat panels. IMO they're more sleek, and isn't your desk and other furniture flat panel too?

I have to ask.... what do you do that allows you to have TWO awesome tanks in your office AND an awesome drum set?!?


Im officially jealous....sitting here bored out of my mind......in my "office"......cubicle is more like it!
 
Such a tough decision. I like the raised panel better, but it'd be really cool to have it match my desk. The desk is just cheap Office Depot furniture, I think my tank will outlast the desk. I'm gonna vote raised.
 
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