Cheato Not looking so well-

buford

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I have a 75 gallon aquarium with a 20 gallon sump. The sump is divided into 3 chambers, protein skimmer to baffles to refuge to the return section. I added cheato about 6 weeks ago, when I got the cheato it was in a tight ball shape, dark green with a firm course texture. The cheato has now lost the ball shape, fell apart all pver the sump and the texture has changed to a soft mussy texture. I have a 65 watt power saver full spectrum bulb which is on a timer to cut on for 16 hours a day when the display lights go off. I have a 3 inch sand bed in the refuge and about 5 turbo snails. Any ideas why the cheato has lost its dark green color and course tecture? What do I need to do to correct this? Thanks in advance!
 
Well here are my opinions:
1. snails are eating it
2. your light is too powerful for your sump i have only 40 watt over a 40 gal sump)
 
By "full spectrum" do you mean it's in the range of 5500-10,000 Kelvin? You can find bulbs at the large home supply stores with the actual Kelvin rating printed on the package; chaeto needs a good strong daylight color temperature, at least 55K.
 
It sounds like the Chaeto is dying. What are your water parameters for nitrates and phosphates?
Do you have nuisance algae in the display?
 
I found that my chaeto is very touchy to changes in light spectrum and cycle....I changed from a 5500K bulb to a 6500k bulb and a lot of chaeto started to die off and fall apart....then I canged back and it was ok again after it grew back...

Then I increased my lighting from 12 hours/day to 18 hours/day and I was buring the chaeto near the surface from too much light.....I found that a 26W 5500K bulb for 10-12 hours is the best combo for me.....However, different fuges have different requirements....
 
I had to switch my fuge light to 15 watts because the 26W bulb was burning the chaeto. If you can't move the light further away, try less wattage.
 
The light I'm using is the n:vision 14 Watt Spiral Daylight found at hd- it produces 60 w. I have the light in a metal fixture sitting on top of egggrate on top of the refuge tank. Maybe this is too close? The nitrates have came up to 5-10 ppm phosphates. I have no nussiance algae in the display tank. I can take the snails out, I thought most had snails in the refuge- suggestions?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13056840#post13056840 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fish_wiz2
Well here are my opinions:
1. snails are eating it
2. your light is too powerful for your sump i have only 40 watt over a 40 gal sump)

Snails eat cheato? I just put a few large snails in my sump because they were knocking over things in my display. Is that a bad idea?
 
I would increase your lighting time to 24hrs for the time being and also add a powerhead in the fuge for circulation until you get the Chaeto to take off.
Do you have other algae growing in the fuge?
 
I can't tell if there is other growth, it looks like it because some is attached to the sand bed, but with the cheato falling apart so bad, I can't tell what is what. I was thinking of trying to pull out the more course cheto and siphing the rest out to try to get it back on track- opinions of this approch?
 
gather up what's alive and put it in a ziploc while getting the crud out, then wad the ziplocked batch together and put it back in.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13059383#post13059383 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Playa-1
I would increase your lighting time to 24hrs for the time being and also add a powerhead in the fuge for circulation until you get the Chaeto to take off.
Do you have other algae growing in the fuge?
I wouldn't leave the 24 hour cycle to long even plants need to rest or reverse their respiration however you want to look at it. But just to kick start it. probably OK But then again I'm having a little trouble with mine. So what do I know?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13059326#post13059326 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by will16
Snails eat cheato? I just put a few large snails in my sump because they were knocking over things in my display. Is that a bad idea?

Well i'm not sure if they eat cheato but they are herbivores and cheato is a type of algae so the picture matches :D
 
have u trimmed it back lately? we keep ours chaeto light on 24/7, whenever some starts looking brownish or gettin to packed we rip it out, we usually take out a handful every other week, the whole ball we have is probably about 3 handfuls, we notice it also starts browning when it isn't able to roll around
 
I just got done cleaning the sump- I had ordered cheato from 2 seperate people and it appears to be 2 diffeent types. One is the dark green thicker more course type the other is thinner. I removed all of the thinner type that seems to have fallen apart all over the sand bed. ( I had bought from 2 different people in the hopes of getting more pods) I did a 20 gallon water change and now my nitartes have come up to 40 ppm. I have moved the light from sitting right on the top of the refuge up about 7 inchs and have set it to stay on 24 hours. What do I need to do to lower the nitrate level other than water changes?
 
Try to figure out the source of the nitrates. Overfeeding, sponge filters, poor circulation, spent sand bed, canister filter, bio-balls are all suspects in your situation. If you can identify the problem then you can make adjustments to fix the problem.
 
Possible over feeding may be the problem. I have plenty of circulation in the tank (2) # 3's, the sand bed it 2 months old, no canister filter, sponge filter nor bio balls. On 7/01/08 I had no nitrates, this may have spoked do to the slight movement of the top of the sand bed in the sump?
 
my cheato is not dieing or looking bad but does not grow has been in refuig for 5 weeks and has nor grown one bitunder 15 wat fullspectrum for 13 hr a day
 
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