check this out; poor thing, :-(
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Alaskan Reefer
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As I'm reading and contemplating this, I know I am passionate about corals and might consider them the highest form of being after man (and maybe pods LOL) -- but still, aren't we talking about what amounts to a plant here? It's very wrong to dye a fish, IMO (painted perch, etc.), but is it really that much worse to dye a coral than it is paint bug repellent on a tree?
I'm pretty much a coral hugger, but I've had to stop and reconsider this thread a little.
I'm pretty much a coral hugger, but I've had to stop and reconsider this thread a little.
A shame,
I had a kid at a LFS roughly break apart a big piece of hammer coral to get it out of the tank then get mand at me when I said I no longer wanted it... people seem to forget these are alive.
This guy is like a thousand crooks out there. There is no point sending messages to him, but we should send them to ebay. I say this out of sympathy for anyone starting out at this hobby who buys this, or similar corals.
by going to http://pages.ebay.com/help/contact_us/_base/index.html
and reporting the listing violation you can help e-bay remove fraudulent sellers,.. because guys, this is fraud. Despite what he says, we all know that this coral WILL die and he has NOT kept them in his tank for any period of time.
I had a kid at a LFS roughly break apart a big piece of hammer coral to get it out of the tank then get mand at me when I said I no longer wanted it... people seem to forget these are alive.
This guy is like a thousand crooks out there. There is no point sending messages to him, but we should send them to ebay. I say this out of sympathy for anyone starting out at this hobby who buys this, or similar corals.
by going to http://pages.ebay.com/help/contact_us/_base/index.html
and reporting the listing violation you can help e-bay remove fraudulent sellers,.. because guys, this is fraud. Despite what he says, we all know that this coral WILL die and he has NOT kept them in his tank for any period of time.
Alaskan Reefer
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Clearly it's harmful and kills corals. Killing earth's creations for money isn't so savory but we do it. I love corals and appreciate that they exist especially where I can watch them grow -- but no more than I love my birch trees. Just food for thought as we charge up the electric chair for this eBay seller.
Alaskan Reefer
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The thing to get excited about is our fellow beginner reefer -- no different than cyanide collection in that regard. Similarly, fraud is something to condemn as well. I completely agree there.
"This item was brought to the attention of the ReefCentral.com community on it's message boards a little while ago. We are a large group of reef tank enthusiasts from the amateur level to the professional.
The item is a common and easily recognizable coral, usually brown to light/faded pink that has been dyed with some coloring to a bright pink. Unethical local fish stores sometimes do this to sell "exotic" corals. Unfortunatley the dying process means the coral will die within a few weeks. Several of us have sent messages to the seller regarding this, and, in the sellers responses, the dyeing was admited to. This person is selling this as a "healthy" specimen while admitably knowing that it has been dyed and will die.
I feel that this seller should be banned from e-bay. Unless this seller lists that the coral is a fake, it is simply fraudulent to sell as it is. There are many of us who are interested in e-bays actions on this issue and I would appreciate being kept informed on it's progression.
Thank you for your time,
I hope we can all work together to keep e-bay fraud-free."
I sent this to e-bay, mainly because I happen to be waiting around right now, but there might be a response.
Alaskan,
I agree with you. The death of one coral doesn't bother me, however fraud does. Begginer or not, it is simply impossible to always know enough not to get screwed somewhere. This seller is commiting fraud, we should make some effort to impede future attempts.
Tippy,
I think alaskan just wanted to exemplify this as a real problem as opposed to us crying over a single animal.
The item is a common and easily recognizable coral, usually brown to light/faded pink that has been dyed with some coloring to a bright pink. Unethical local fish stores sometimes do this to sell "exotic" corals. Unfortunatley the dying process means the coral will die within a few weeks. Several of us have sent messages to the seller regarding this, and, in the sellers responses, the dyeing was admited to. This person is selling this as a "healthy" specimen while admitably knowing that it has been dyed and will die.
I feel that this seller should be banned from e-bay. Unless this seller lists that the coral is a fake, it is simply fraudulent to sell as it is. There are many of us who are interested in e-bays actions on this issue and I would appreciate being kept informed on it's progression.
Thank you for your time,
I hope we can all work together to keep e-bay fraud-free."
I sent this to e-bay, mainly because I happen to be waiting around right now, but there might be a response.
Alaskan,
I agree with you. The death of one coral doesn't bother me, however fraud does. Begginer or not, it is simply impossible to always know enough not to get screwed somewhere. This seller is commiting fraud, we should make some effort to impede future attempts.
Tippy,
I think alaskan just wanted to exemplify this as a real problem as opposed to us crying over a single animal.
Alaskan Reefer
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Well no, I'm just saying a coral is a pretty simple creature -- not much more than a tree in the grand scheme of things and we do lots of tree killing. I'm more a coral hugger than a tree hugger, but while this is an abuse it's not so condemning in the way this thread is headed toward (killing an quasi-plant, if you will). That's all.
There is a nice alternative to the yellow pagoda...
There is a nice alternative to the yellow pagoda...
Alaskan Reefer
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Oops double post.
Alaskan Reefer
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Well yeah, continuing with the tree idea, if you sell me cherry furniture that's actually stained pine and I'm too dumb to know it -- that's a problem. The staining didn't kill the china hutch, but the tree probably felt just as much pain as the coral will.
We never know when we'll get hosed in our system by a fraud, that is a major problem.
At least I learned about yello pagoda thanks to this thread...
We never know when we'll get hosed in our system by a fraud, that is a major problem.
At least I learned about yello pagoda thanks to this thread...
TippyToeX
Premium Member
Hmmm... I guess I don't see it that way.
I get upset when I see these corals this way. At any LFS, online retailer, or on eBay. I will mail, try to educate them so that the vendor will stop selling them.
If you look at the credits on Calfo's article you will see me mentioned. Because many of those pics were from a LFS I use to visit. That article was shown to that LFS to prove that what they are condoning/doing is wrong. I fought them, and after they understood what they were doing they stop selling them.
I'd do the same to anyone I see selling these corals. Letting go of the loss of one coal is saying it's ok IMHO.
I'm more concerned about the unnecessary harm or loss of to the coral. Letting people know that they are out there so they are not bought, and stopping the demand for them from the vendor.
I get upset when I see these corals this way. At any LFS, online retailer, or on eBay. I will mail, try to educate them so that the vendor will stop selling them.
If you look at the credits on Calfo's article you will see me mentioned. Because many of those pics were from a LFS I use to visit. That article was shown to that LFS to prove that what they are condoning/doing is wrong. I fought them, and after they understood what they were doing they stop selling them.
I'd do the same to anyone I see selling these corals. Letting go of the loss of one coal is saying it's ok IMHO.
I'm more concerned about the unnecessary harm or loss of to the coral. Letting people know that they are out there so they are not bought, and stopping the demand for them from the vendor.
StinkinTuna
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j0tca: well thought out letter to ebay :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I would be very much interested to see if they respond and how...
Alaskan: Nice pic! What coral is that?
Tippy: which article are you referring to (Calfo's); could you please link?
I would be very much interested to see if they respond and how...
Alaskan: Nice pic! What coral is that?
Tippy: which article are you referring to (Calfo's); could you please link?
Alaskan Reefer
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No worries, it's an intelligent conversation which is much appreciated. I've seen these in my LFSs before as well, and I just disregard -- they all get sold and quickly, and it's tough to bust chops with a LFS owner that's small time, trying to survive against Petco, and totally ignorant. It's hard for me to say if they are better off knowing and losing profitability based on making the right choice, or if I should just let them earn what they can. And just to be clear, in my neck of the woods there are two LFSs that sell corals within 500 miles of my house -- it's Alaska. Mail order works, but we pay through the teeth for live shipments -- three SPS frags from Dr. Mac ran me I believe $154 a couple of years ago. Ouch!
Anyway, I appreciate that you are as active as you are -- makes the hobby better for the apathetic / less caring / whatever like myself. If not for people like yourself, every finger leather would look like a set of new highlighters.
I need my new tank to age by a year overnight (only 2 months old now) so I can get on to something like what's in your avatar. Unbelievable.
Mail order works, but we pay through the teeth for live shipments -- three SPS frags from Dr. Mac ran me I believe $154 a couple of years ago. Ouch!Anyway, I appreciate that you are as active as you are -- makes the hobby better for the apathetic / less caring / whatever like myself. If not for people like yourself, every finger leather would look like a set of new highlighters.
I need my new tank to age by a year overnight (only 2 months old now) so I can get on to something like what's in your avatar. Unbelievable.
Alaskan Reefer
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Stinkin -- yellow turbinaria. I bought it about 4 years ago. It's about 10" tall and 5" wide -- man did that thing survive and grow through a lot of me learning about my tank. It's tolerant of nitrates, high light, low light, high flow, low flow, whatever. An SPS that most anyone can keep -- and it has highlighter yellow polyps.
Thank you for writing eBay's SafeHarbor Department about a listing or seller you would like us to investigate for fraudulent activity. We are concerned about this type of activity and want to assure you that we will review your report as soon as possible, usually within 24 hours.
Due to privacy concerns, we will not keep you informed about the status of our investigation. While you will only receive this acknowledgement of the receipt of your report, please be assured that we will thoroughly review the situation.
This is the response, frankly, it appears to be a polite dodge more than anything. If there was truly going to be an "investigation" they would turn to me asking for proof of dyeing. Perhaps the item will be pulled, we'll see.
Due to privacy concerns, we will not keep you informed about the status of our investigation. While you will only receive this acknowledgement of the receipt of your report, please be assured that we will thoroughly review the situation.
This is the response, frankly, it appears to be a polite dodge more than anything. If there was truly going to be an "investigation" they would turn to me asking for proof of dyeing. Perhaps the item will be pulled, we'll see.
Sicklid
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Here is his website.
https://id301.securedata.net/godscr...rchantmanager/product_info.php?products_id=57
and the coral in question:
https://id301.securedata.net/godscr...rchantmanager/product_info.php?products_id=57
and the coral in question:
TrojanScott
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Here's the response I received. Not the brightest bulb....
maybe you should try live aquaria and all the huge pet store because from what i hear the yellow cup coral is dyed and does not come in this color. have you tried stalking all the other pet stores as well? every store i know of sells the yellow cup coral and other corals. i have no idea which corals are or aren't dyed. except the few i have herd through a grape vine about. ort read something on. if i thought a coral would die on me or my customer i wouldn't sell it. but the yellow cup coral and this leather live i know it for a fact..
not that i owe you any explanation im trying to make a point better waste some more time because you have a lot of stores to hit. everyone i know of sells at least one coral that is dyed. they dot list it on wholesale list we have no idea unless we do extensive research. and if your freaking out this much and don't mind law suits and harassment charges then you might as well hit all the pet stores maybe even your local stores because most everyone has something that either was purchased knowingly or unknowly that is dyed from overseas.
maybe you should try live aquaria and all the huge pet store because from what i hear the yellow cup coral is dyed and does not come in this color. have you tried stalking all the other pet stores as well? every store i know of sells the yellow cup coral and other corals. i have no idea which corals are or aren't dyed. except the few i have herd through a grape vine about. ort read something on. if i thought a coral would die on me or my customer i wouldn't sell it. but the yellow cup coral and this leather live i know it for a fact..
not that i owe you any explanation im trying to make a point better waste some more time because you have a lot of stores to hit. everyone i know of sells at least one coral that is dyed. they dot list it on wholesale list we have no idea unless we do extensive research. and if your freaking out this much and don't mind law suits and harassment charges then you might as well hit all the pet stores maybe even your local stores because most everyone has something that either was purchased knowingly or unknowly that is dyed from overseas.
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