Clam in a nano with MH?

brandonlai

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Hey guys,

im new to clams but i guess i got bit by the clam bug....

I was wondering if i would be able to keep a clam in my 12 gallon nanocube dx. It has a 70w MH 10k retrofit and 2 24w PCs for lighting.

I am currently about to move from zoanthids to SPS and thought a clam might be fun in there too...

Thanks alot
Brandon
 
keep you params rock solid, place him in upper 1/3 of your tank, and you should be fine. just make sure you don't pick one that is too big for 12 gallons, deresas, squamosas, and gigas particulary can have faster than expected growth!
 
just make sure that you keep up with all of the water parameters, especially evaporation, and it should be ok, keep in mind that it's going to be a lot of maintenance keeping those parameters steady though
 
Not a problem. I have a 24 Nanocube with the 64 watts of PC lighting. Here is my Crocea. It has been in this tank for two years and has grown about and inch.


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Yes, the mantle is extended farther that it would be under brighter light, but can you tell me how that is a bad thing. The clam is growing and I am happy with it.

He started off in a 55 gal with 500 watts of MH. The mantle was more retracted but, so what.
 
I did not mean to sound callous. I do not think the clam is being harmed. It grows and has lived in these conditions for two years, and its alive.

Would it be "happier" with more light? I certainly can't make that call. It might grow a little faster and have less extension, but if it does not shorten its life span, I don't think I am doing anything wrong, just personal preference.
 
We've all pretty much done it. Heck, I used to keep maximas under PC's a long time ago, too.

Will it be happier under T5's or MH's...sure...but they're survivors. There are always a few tough ones that live beyond their normal depth in the wild.
 
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There are countless examples of people who have been sucessful with clams under other types of lighting than MH. The explanations that "oh your lucky" or "oh you are the exception" is a weak scientific conclusion.

To state that mantle extension is a sign that the clam is not getting enough light is an oversimplification and one really has to consider the Pmax of the organism.

It is quite possilbe the light saturation rate of photosynthesis (pmax) is actually reached as a result of mantle extension in certain reef tank environments.


PHOTOSYNTHESIS AND RESPIRATION IN TRIDACNA GIGAS AS A FUNCTION OF IRRADIANCE AND SIZE
http://www.biolbull.org/cgi/content/abstract/169/1/230


Regards

RFC
 
if there are countless examples of people who have been successful with clams under other types of light, then there must be an infinite amount of people that lose their clams because of inadequate lighting, water params and other reasons set aside.

how do you explain the enormous number of clams lost by seasoned clam caretakers by moving them to lower light? you can be technical and scientific, but statistics have meaning too.
 
clamp-on 70 watt. will do perfect in a 12G. i would be concerned about heat and evap. the clam should keep your nitrates at zero! have a good day!

John, :smokin:
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8572174#post8572174 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ezcompany
if there are countless examples of people who have been successful with clams under other types of light, then there must be an infinite amount of people that lose their clams because of inadequate lighting, water params and other reasons set aside.


Yes there are countless (not infinite) explanations for the demise of a clam including, inadequate photosynthesis, water chemistry, bacteria or viruses, genetic predispositions, and environmental shock. Please also note, the amount of living people is not infinite.


how do you explain the enormous number of clams lost by seasoned clam caretakers by moving them to lower light? you can be technical and scientific, but statistics have meaning too.


Yes, statistics have meaning too.
From a scientific standpoint, the same reasons listed above for the demise of a clam are valid explanations. There are many etiological reasons, which alone or via interactions, will cause the loss of life when moving to a lower light level including....

1) Insufficient photosynthetic reactions to sustain biological requirements
2) System shock
3) Bacterial and or viral agents
4) The inability of the organism to adapt to the changes in water biochemistry

The absolutes being espoused by some prolific posters in this forum on lighting requirements and mantle extension are over simplifications, for the complex biological systems such as a clam.


1) Yes you can maintain a clam under different types of lighting if such systems are biologically and chemically sound enough to allow the clam to generate enough energy via photosynthesis to sustain it's requirements for life.

2) Yes, mantle extension is a means in which a clam increases its surface area for light reception. One should not automatically conclude that it is unhealthy or a sign that a clam is not getting enough light. By examining Pmax of the subject can one determine if a clam with mantle extension is 'getting enough light'.

Bottom line………………in real life situations outside of the laboratory, growth and cellular reproduction are typical signs of a successful organism for a given biological environment. And yes, metal halide lamps can deliver a higher intensity of photons at a set distance for a given wattage relative to PC or other lighting sources, but it is not the “Holy Grail” as some may have you believe. Many have been successful without MH because of valid scientific explanations.




Regards

RFC
 
Yes, after intentionally eliminating all other valid biochemical explanations, the remaining one will be the only correct answer possible.

ROFLMFAO
 
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