Clearing up named corals

[Kreeger1]

Not saying I agree with all the named hype but lets clear things up.

When you sell a coral such as tubs blues or tyree this or that. Or any of the new named zoo's out there.
1 You can't sell it as A le tyree coral unless you got it from Tyree or from a seller that can be trusted and can be trace it back to the origin.

Theres millions of corals out there that look close, similiar or even the same. But if they didn't come from the same person that named them or grew them out its not "SAID NAME BRAND CORAL"

Sell them as looks like, close to or the such.

Not my rules I just thought that was common knowledge but I've found that it's not practiced by all.

Another example, ORA has a great marketing plan going on, and say you have had a coral that looks like new release they just let out. You can't call it a ORA Red planet unless it came from ORA or came from a frag of ORA Red planet.

Same with cars, just cuz your Hyundyai has a front end that looks like a Jag, You can't call it a Jag because it looks like it....It's not



Yes I do believe that some of the named corals look common,yes I do believe it's out of control pricing is way over the top.

I do buy a good share of name brand corals for one reason.
The track record is proven.... This coral holds it's color, does well and is proven in the hobby. Plus I'm not taking more coral straight out of the ocean.

end rant
Erik

 

[Kreeger1]

Also If you have a bunch of nice corals that your growing out but there not from the original grow, market them under your own name then. Such as Ted's nice green zoo's or whatever you want to call them. Locals will then know what your talking about after awhile and heck you might become one of the internet name brands after awhile.
Such as Rod's clowns or how Geo started out. Takes time but it can happen
ERik

 

[aznnutty]

hey kreeger thanks for the info, very helpful. to all of those who bought zoas from me, don['t quote me on names, i hate names and they are rediculous. i rather the color or the effect they have under nice lights. so the medusa or solars, just call them frosty special lol

 

[Kreeger1]

Its really helpful info for swaps. People by corals thinkingthey are getting real tubs blues (using this cuz I know it happened to people on here ) without seeing the coral and just by going on what they've seen on the net as a tub's blue. When they got home after paying crazy amounts to get this coral they find out its just another common blue ish coral someone tacked the name brand corals name too. And inflated the price to the name brand corals price.
Just bad practice IMO. If it's real you no it, if its not don't call it that.

 

[GROWSZOAS]

if they are just frosty specials i want a dollar a head refund j/k

 

[serpentman]

I do agree. I've noticed how every purple monti has suddenly become ORA Idaho Grape. This ultimately is the biggest flaw with the designer corals. It would be neat if they could come up with some kind of pedigree system where you registered. It would require more work but would ultimately benefit both buyer and seller by keeping the values of the corals intact.

Like it was said, all you have to do when describing a coral is say looks like xyz coral and you're covered.

I see the day where CITES will ultimately ban the international sale of corals. Since this is our future, it would be cool to establish some way to track the history.

 

[Esquare]

Anybody interested in some Esquare Cyano? Only $100.00 per 1/64" frag.

I might be able to frag some Big Daddy Bubble Algae for the right price.

 

[serpentman]

I'll trade you for some Craven Caulerpa

 

[Esquare]

Ohhh Tempting.

 

[Kreeger1]

I like how some of the online vendors selling high end corals give you a certificate now with purchase. I've actually seen at a swap someone pull out a receipt from Atlantis staying that he bought this coral here on this date. I thought that was pretty good proof as well.

 

[fliynhi]

The certificates are all great fine and dandy. The problem is that eventually someone will get real greedy and make up a fake certificate. I agree with everyone that this coral naming has gotten out of hand. What would be ideal, is if we could create something similar to the AKC, american kennel club, that would allow you to trace the lineage of a particular coral back to the original source. Not sure if it would be feasible, but it would help to prevent people from selling similar corals for "name-brand" prices.

 

[Tswifty]

I think there was a thread a while back about this very problem.

I think it's a whole marketing thing geared at generating more profit... and basically a load of ****

Take the newest ORA release... there are guys in Europe laughing about it, because the coral has been available over there for years under some other name. Right after it was released guys were posting grown out colonies of it, and saying you can get it for $20 a frag... The "ORA" release goes for $100 +shipping on LiveAquaria.

Anyway, I just think it's a bunch of B.S... "branding" livestock... If everyone was honest then maybe it would work... but get real... there's no way to be 100% certain once you get farther and farther down the line removed from the original colony that you are getting "x label" coral. Of course people "flipping" corals would probably disagree with me.

Although I do agree with Erik... Don't label it what it aint! :lol:

 

[fliynhi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13957463#post13957463 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tswifty8
it's a whole marketing thing geared at generating more profit... and basically a load of ****

AMEN!!!

 

[StanD]

Erik: My thanks also for your "rant" which was quite informative.

A system of "pedigree-ing" corals is not just interesting but could become a valuable method of monitoring genetic make up. However, most pedigreeing is done for animals that have great value based on genetics, with emphasis on the "great value". Maintaining these types of databases is VERY expensive and so is the genotyping that is the only way of assuring that the animal is what is claimed.

Another question I have regarding coral is: How can someone say that this is not an "ORA grape cluster Monti"(or whatever) when the coloration of the corals is so dependent on lighting, environment, etc. ???

Thanks to all for this one.

Stan

 

[aznnutty]

i wish there was an easy way to really id corals. quite frankly i have alot of zoas that does not look anything like what i see on id sites. i found out that the madusa lookalike had three different zoas on them. one was the zoa that looks just like the madusa on RK, one had green centers, purple surround, and green skirts, an i saw some wam n watermellons all on the same frag disk.. i have found that some corals have a particular look that matches nothing else but what was id on another site. i haven't found another zoa that has looked closer to purple hornets then the ones jeff sold me. may be or not i don't really care but has anyone seen anything that looks like that? i love the purple hearted zoa aka jokers, but i can't say it looks similar. ps if anyone has these jokers or purple hearts - i'm intrested.

with all that on the side, just want to say THANKS JEFF! i love the purple zoas, been trying to find something purple for a while. still looking for more

 

[BrunstuckyJoe]

Mike (1628mna) wants 10 frags of the cyano.

 

[Kreeger1]

Another thing, Zooid.com is a site were people name corals and post them It's not a site were you go to purchase corals. I'd use that site for nothing more then Oh thats nice and thats a cool color combo. Anyone can submit pictures to it. With Zoo's it seems a different name pops up everyday, and with each new name they just seem to get dumber and dumber. Just because a certain zoo comes with a name doesn't mean its rare or better then the rest. Remember buy it if you like it don't buy it just because of the name with it.

 

[vietcu]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13958904#post13958904 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Kreeger1
Remember buy it if you like it don't buy it just because of the name with it.

I agree with this totally, but I think that keeping the names of what was given is also a good thing for me. Its a heck of a lot easier to remember stuff by names then orange with red skirt zoo. Who cares if people are putting names on something that looks like ORA's stuff and charging a lot for it. If you like it and are seeing the actual thing in the picture and are willing to pay that price for it, then you are entitled to it. What I find offensive is posting up photoshoped pictures of something and trying to sell it for a higher price.

 

[Kreeger1]

Who cares if people are putting names on something that looks like ORA's stuff and charging a lot for it

I do and I think most people do as well, Those name brand corals demand the high price because they've been known to continue to be a high quality coral. I've been ****ed when I bought look a like stuff at the real deal price after I've click buy on fragswapper.
Its just good practice to not sell something under the name brand name if its not. thats all.

 

[vietcu]

I don't mean to make an argument with you Kreeger, but from your statement. You are only concerned with the name of the coral and not the looks of it. Like I said in my statement, if you are seeing the picture of the actual frag that you are buying and the name happens to be the exact same as the high price coral whats the difference? How do you know if its not the actual, when under certain circumstances they might color up a little differently. Here is my example the zoa that Aznnutty posted compared to the zoa on Ebay, I couldn't tell the difference between the two. But I was seeing the actual picture and if Aznnutty named his zoa the exact same name, and I was willing to pay for it. Who cares if he named it the same thing, looks pretty damn close to me. Thats just my opinion, and again don't mean to cause any trouble out of this.