clown fish spawning?

Dripley

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Noticed over the weekend that my clown fish might have spawned in my tank. I first noticed them rubbing all over this rock located next to my bubble tip anemone, orange in color just like them. Today I noticed that the spot is now brown. I don,t see any eggs but wonder if they are still to small? During the day the anemone covers the spot, maybe it killed them? Anyone have any answers? Or suggestions? Thanks for any reply.:confused:
 
Noticed over the weekend that my clown fish might have spawned in my tank. I first noticed them rubbing all over this rock located next to my bubble tip anemone, orange in color just like them. Today I noticed that the spot is now brown. I don,t see any eggs but wonder if they are still to small? During the day the anemone covers the spot, maybe it killed them? Anyone have any answers? Or suggestions? Thanks for any reply.:confused:

It definitely sounds like they spawned. Most clownfish nests display a similar coloration to the parents. Congratz!

The anemone will serve as protection for the clutch, it didn't harm them. In all likelyhood, the parents ate the nest. This happens for a couple of reasons.

New parents take a couple of spawns to figure out what they are doing. If at any point they aren't happy with how the eggs are developing, they will eat them. The eggs might not have been fertilized properly, the male might not have been tending them correctly, the female might not have had enough nutrients to make viable eggs... etc. Lots of reasons why they'd eat the nest, including hunger.

If you are interested in attempting to collect the fry then your next step is to fatten up the parents. Feed them a diverse diet and often. No less than 5 feedings a day. Feed them, then 20 mins later feed them again. The male won't eat much during the incubation week so it's important to fatten him up as much as the female.

Let us know how it goes!
 
On second thought, the eggs do change color from orange/red > brown/black > clear/silver as they develop... but I find it hard to believe that you wouldn't know that you were looking at a clutch of brown eggs. They are clearly visible. Here is picture of a recently laid clutch on the base of my frogspawn.

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Thanks I'll have to look harder they are in a 220 gal tank and the glass is so thick I couldn't tell if they were eggs or not I'll post a pick tomorrow.
 
First clutches can be small. It does take a few cycles to get the parent clowns going. When first laid, the eggs are hard to miss. They are a bright crisp orange ( if white, they are non-viable check females nutrition). Over the next few days they will turn brown and blend in fairly well. My RBTA covers the spot my Percs love to lay in most of the day. No harm to the eggs. Before their first nest was laid they spent ALOT of time preping that area and moving sand around. Now they are in a rythem and don't fuss to much about it. As they get older the nests get bigger. When there is a nest my male will hardly leave it. I make sure he stays fed by spot feeding him with a pipet full of the frozen food the others get. He gets a quick bite and goes back to fanning the eggs.

I can post the clip i have of them spawning tomarrow if interested.
 
First clutches can be small. It does take a few cycles to get the parent clowns going. When first laid, the eggs are hard to miss. They are a bright crisp orange ( if white, they are non-viable check females nutrition). Over the next few days they will turn brown and blend in fairly well. My RBTA covers the spot my Percs love to lay in most of the day. No harm to the eggs. Before their first nest was laid they spent ALOT of time preping that area and moving sand around. Now they are in a rythem and don't fuss to much about it. As they get older the nests get bigger. When there is a nest my male will hardly leave it. I make sure he stays fed by spot feeding him with a pipet full of the frozen food the others get. He gets a quick bite and goes back to fanning the eggs.

I can post the clip i have of them spawning tomarrow if interested.

I'm not sure that white=non-viable. My Onyx eggs always start off as white then turn black over the next few days. Egg clutches tend to take on the color of the parent... so Tomato's appear red, etc...
 
If you are interested in attempting to collect the fry then your next step is to fatten up the parents. Feed them a diverse diet and often. No less than 5 feedings a day. Feed them, then 20 mins later feed them again. The male won't eat much during the incubation week so it's important to fatten him up as much as the female.

How can you feed them this much and not raise the ammonia in the tank?
 
I'm not sure that white=non-viable. My Onyx eggs always start off as white then turn black over the next few days. Egg clutches tend to take on the color of the parent... so Tomato's appear red, etc...

OK. Good to know. It makes sense that this would be different between species. Had not thought about it before. My experience is strictly related to True Percs at the moment.

Early nests from my pair had a few white eggs while the rest are orange. The male picked these off and ate them. My reading seemed to indicate this was normal. The rest really look like salmon roe, like you get on sushi, to me. Then of course darken over the next 8 days and eyes start looking back at you. I started soaking their food in Zoe and it never happened again, then again, they could have just matured too.

Also that is a cool pic of their nest under the frogspwan ClownfishSushi.

Dripley, where is yours? Think you had a nest?

Here is the clip of theme spawning (watch it in HD). They live in the 110 mixed reef and have a piece of live rock / anemone to call home in the front corner.

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Also that is a cool pic of their nest under the frogspwan ClownfishSushi.

Thanks! It's one of my favorites. I use it for the main banner on my website. If the moderaters ever get around to processing my application, you might see it on banner ads on this forum as well!

I'm unable to view the video at work but I'm looking forward to seeing it when I get home!
 
I hate the new auto focus cameras they want to take a photo of the glass. Noticed yesterday that it's eggs swaying back and forth with the current. A small frag of Acro. fell near it when I went to retrieve it and put it back in it's spot the female attacked me.
How do I keep the fry from going into my sump? I just sold my 110 gallon show tank, right before I noticed the clutch. I had to my wife wanted it gone, and to be truthful my living room was turning into what started to look like a saltwater pet store and starving for space.
 
Congrats on the spawning Dripley. Unfortunately for your wife / living room. There is no real way to raise the fry in tank. Trying to catch them and grow them out, at a minimum, means another tank for the larvel (10 gal works great).

If you cannot remove the item they were laid on then you have to catch them on hatch night, which is usually day 7 or 8. Its not that hard, I can give you some tips.

So the big decision is do you want to try to raise them? Or are they free food?

The other big consideration is rotifers, larva need them for about the first week. Before you can feed them hatched baby brine shrimp. Have a culture of them? Have a culture of greenwater to feed the rotifers?
 
Congrats on the spawning Dripley. Unfortunately for your wife / living room. There is no real way to raise the fry in tank. Trying to catch them and grow them out, at a minimum, means another tank for the larvel (10 gal works great).

If you cannot remove the item they were laid on then you have to catch them on hatch night, which is usually day 7 or 8. Its not that hard, I can give you some tips.

So the big decision is do you want to try to raise them? Or are they free food?

The other big consideration is rotifers, larva need them for about the first week. Before you can feed them hatched baby brine shrimp. Have a culture of them? Have a culture of greenwater to feed the rotifers?

Pretty good advice. I wrote a quick write-up for small time breeders that I'll cut and paste here. It will go over the basics for you.
 
A Simple Solution to Breeding Clownfish
by Jason Golden, Lead Aquaculturist of Clownfish Sushi

So you've got a pair of spawning clownfish? Great. And you've probably done some research online and have discovered that the process of raising these little buggers can be very complex... if you allow it to be. Today I'm going to share with you my simple solution to breeding clownfish. So put down the Amquel, forget your plans for the massive rack-growout system, step away from the green water and let's get started!

I'm already assuming your clownfish are spawning. If they aren't, go buy some juveniles, pair them up and come back to this thread in about two years. One important thing to note is that the first five or six clutches are generally considered non-viable. The broodstock are still undergoing some physical changes along with learning their roles in the incubation of the eggs. This is a great time to fatten them up. The diet should be very diverse. I feed at least five different types of frozen foods along with Selcon enriched flakes and pellets several times a day. I also add frozen krill to the menu which is supposedly good for the egg casings. As long as I'm on the subject of the broodstock I might as well talk about the broodstock tank.

I've used both a completely private, bare-bottom tank with a clay pot and a reef tank with lots of non-aggressive fish that I stick my hand in several times a week for a broodstock tank. Both work equally well. What is important is that the fish have a definied territory, are well fed and are not overly stressed by any competition. Here is the catch. If you choose to use a reef tank you are going to need to make some minor adjustments to the salinity and temperature. You will need to lower the salinity to 1.024 and raise the temperature to 80-82 degrees. I'll get back to why those parameters are important later.

Thanks to modern food alternatives I've managed to raise fry with only one live food needing to be cultured in the entire food chain... rotifers. There is absolutely no need to culture your own phytoplankton, AKA green water, and a single five-gallon bucket of rotifers is more than enough. I use a phyto product that contains both enriched phyto and an ammonia blocker. The rotifer culture should be kept at a salinity of 1.018-1.020. Rotifers go into shock and die if they are introduced to water where the difference in salinity is .007 or greater. If you keep your reef tank at 1.026 you can only feed rotifers cultured at 1.020. Ideally you want to push your rotifer culture and broodstock tank to be as close as possible, hence the prior recommendation to lower the salinity in your broodstock tank to 1.024. My next solution comes with a bit of a disclosure.

I am not responsible for ruining your carpet. Please secure all drip-lines properly.

I'm going to share with you my secret weapon... the slow-drip fry tank. Basically, I piggyback a 10 gallon fry tank on to my reef tank. Water drips in to the fry tank and back out to the broodstock's sump. The standard method for larval care in a fry tank requires daily water changes of various percentages along with constant monitoring of ammonia, salinity, temperature, PH, nitrates, etc... forget all that mess. As long as your reef system is healthy, the fry tank will be healthy. The slow-drip does not replace the need for daily bottom scraping and siphoning but it makes the water parameters much, much more stable. A good rule of thumb here is that 1 drop/sec results in approximately 1 gal/day. Other standard fry tank rules still apply. You will need to black out all sides, use bubble wands at both ends and use a heater to maintain the fry tank at 80-82 degrees. Temperatures lower than 80 degrees will delay meta and result in losses. Lighting is a very key component. Ambient room lighting is not enough. I diffuse a 7 watt night light with a couple peices of paper towel. The fry need to be able to see to hunt but are blinded by side-lighting and too much light forces them to the bottom of the tank resulting in losses. A little phyto in the fry tank helps to dim the light as well as keep the rotifers well fed. After the first week lighting becomes much less of an issue.

I don't artifically incubate the eggs nor do I transfer them. I believe that the broodstock do a much better job of incubating the clutch then we do. On hatch night, I manually collect the fry. When the lights go out I turn off all the pumps. I place a single LED light over the tank and turn off all external room lights. 15 mins later the fry are attracted to the spot light like moths to a flame. Simply scoop them out with a tea cup at the surface and gently transfer them to the fry tank. Fry tank water needs to match the broodstock water exactly. A single degree of temperature difference or .001 change in salinity will result in losses.

The fry need to be weened onto three different sized foods over a period of about three weeks. During the first week you will want to be feeding them about 300 ml of rotifers three times a day. The second stage of food is Otohime A. The final stage is crushed flake, Golden Pearls and freeze-dried and frozen Cyclopseeze. It is important to overlap food types the entire time. Some fry will develop slower than others. It will be another month before the fry are ready to be introduced to standard frozen foods.

Sometime around the third week you'll want to begin converting the fry tank to a growout tank. Begin increasing the water volume in the fry tank every day as well as adding a sponge filter. After a week it will be safe to take the juveniles off of the drip-line and eventually add the smallest HOB bio-wheel filter you can find. You'll need to begin manual water changes at this time and should be able to keep as many as 100 juveniles in a 10 gallon tank with proper maintenance.

In conclusion, one can breed clownfish with nothing more than a reef tank, a 5 gallon bucket of rotifers and a 10 gallon slow-drip fry tank. The foods you need to add to your collection are a Phyto-feed for the rotifers, Otohime A, Golden Pearls and freeze-dried Cyclopseeze. The entire project can run you less than $150 but there are a lot of things that can go wrong.

Breeding Clownfish requires a lot of patience and willingness to learn from your mistakes. Too many air bubbles will kill the fry. Too few air bubbles will kill the fry. Too much light will kill the fry. Not enough light will kill the fry. Too high a temperature will kill the fry. Too low a temperature will kill the fry. Those are the sorts of lessons you will be learning as you attempt this process. Take good notes and be prepared to lose a lot of fish. I was thinking about writing a book entitiled "101 Ways to Kill Clownfish Fry" but didn't want to sound too negative. It's been a really rewarding project for me and I hope this helps someone looking for a simple solution to breeding clownfish.
 
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