complete lion fish diasaster

well im gonna go back because there so close im just not going to take there advice on weather or not fish are compatible
 
I guess I am lucky, I have Aquarium Arts and Reef Culture about the same distance from me, and Pets Inc just a few miles more so I am covered.
 
I find it interesting that everyone blames astore that's in business to sell fish. Yet no one has really taken he buyer of those fish to task. Who has greater responsibility? The greater ethical problem here? The company that made good on a customers poor buying decision or the customer who bought fish like a five year old in a candy store and then is surprised when they have a stomach ache?
 
jerryz said:
I find it interesting that everyone blames astore that's in business to sell fish. Yet no one has really taken he buyer of those fish to task. Who has greater responsibility? The greater ethical problem here? The company that made good on a customers poor buying decision or the customer who bought fish like a five year old in a candy store and then is surprised when they have a stomach ache?
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I disagree with the premise of your post, as more than one of us did state the advice to research fish in the future. I think we did take the aquarist to task. Did we brow-beat him over it...no, of course not, that would be bad form an not very nice, but I think the point was made.

That said, I do think the store has a responsibility to the customer, as well as the animal, to give good advice and not just sell, sell, sell.

Also, he DID ask them about the fish and they gave him bad information.
 
jerryz said:
I find it interesting that everyone blames astore that's in business to sell fish. Yet no one has really taken he buyer of those fish to task. Who has greater responsibility? The greater ethical problem here? The company that made good on a customers poor buying decision or the customer who bought fish like a five year old in a candy store and then is surprised when they have a stomach ache?
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Whoa !!! Mean spriited!!

This seems way off base. Yes the buyer has some resposibility but the buyer specifically requested advice. The LFS is the professional. It's prudent to confirm capability issues with the LFS.

In this case the LFS did the right thing and took care of the customer. Good for them. It could have been a new employee that gave bad advise. Things happen. We don't have the complete picture. An abreviated version: the LFS made a mistake and stepped up when they were informed.

If a poll was taken, we all have a mistake or two (or more) in our reefing adventrues. :dance:
 
jerryz said:
I find it interesting that everyone blames astore that's in business to sell fish. Yet no one has really taken he buyer of those fish to task. Who has greater responsibility? The greater ethical problem here? The company that made good on a customers poor buying decision or the customer who bought fish like a five year old in a candy store and then is surprised when they have a stomach ache?
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if you can't walk into your LFS and get sound advice there is a problem with that store. the store has a responsibility to there customers and there fish
 
I've made plenty of mistakes over the years, especially with fish. To me, corals are pretty easy - keep the water up, light and place 'em right, and you'll do okay. But fish are a different matter. I look at my corals, but I interact with my fish. They also interact with each other, and all have personalities, as anyone who's kept them knows.

I'm sorry to hear of your bad experience with ATR and the fish you chose. Lions are great fish for their beauty and agression. A top pick for a predator tank IMO. How frustrating to have been told that a lion would get along with the other smal fish you already had and the new ones you purchased. How frustrating to see them die. How frustrating to have stressed your tank further by catching the lion to get him out.

It would be nice to assume that the LFS would provide you with good information about stocking your tank. Sometimes they do; sometimes they don't. It really goes without saying that you learned from the experience.

Over the years I've heard and read about so many folks having problems with fish in their tank. It's usually disease or predation. I've also heard and read so many remedies and approches to addressing such things when, in reality, stocking is the key.

Stress kills fish. Too many or the wrong combination of fish in a tank creates stress. Fish define the heirarchy in a tank, not the aquarist. Disease and predation are all kept in check when reasonable stocking selections are made. IME, any tank 90 gallons or less has room for ONE dominant fish. ONE. Any more and trouble ensues. Additional fish can be added, but care should be given about how the new fish will interact with the dominant member.

I've run salt since 1985. My current reef is nine years old. The dominant fish is a Sebae clown that is an original occupant, so he's nine years old plus whatever he was when I got him. He tolerates two blue chromis, a fire fish, and a yellow goby, all of which are over five years old and extremely healthy. I take pride when my specimens live long lives. I hope other aquarists do as well.

When it comes to HA, I'm not quite so savvy. LOL

Good luch with the hobby. :rollface:
 
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As mean spirited as all the people who were never going to go there again based on this one sided story? Interesting. Or mean spirited because it brings personal responsibility into play. I understand that's an antiquated concept these days.
 
I think this is getting out of control. We r all here because of our common interests. Thongs are being misread and blown out of proportion. One of the things I like about this group is that everyone is helpful and friendly and full of constructive critisism. Sometimes Negative comments should be left unsaid.
 
This story isn't why I was never going to go there again. It was just one more reason among many.

My personal opinion of this store, based on experience, leads me to not be surprised at this story and to give it the benefit of the doubt.

Also, as I pointed out...my post was the first reply in this thread, and I did say that it was a lesson in doing research before buying.

And later on down the post the same thing was echoed.

If you really want to get into the ethics of this we can, but I have a feeling they would shut down the thread as soon as I gave one example...
 
jerryz said:
I find it interesting that everyone blames astore that's in business to sell fish. Yet no one has really taken he buyer of those fish to task. Who has greater responsibility? The greater ethical problem here? The company that made good on a customers poor buying decision or the customer who bought fish like a five year old in a candy store and then is surprised when they have a stomach ache?
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Mean spirited only from the perspective to characterize a hobbyist as a five year old who purchases candy. I know I'm much older than 5 but I still get excited to acquire anything new for our reef.

A five year old does not care and won't ask how the candy mixes as long as the taste is good. This hobbyist made a legit inquiry of the LFS and received a response that should have been qualified. Based on the fact the LFS took care of the customer, it appears they realized a mistake was made and took steps to correct it.

Relatively new to the hobby, it can be intimidating and overwhelming to learn and understand everything. RC is great to allow new reefers to learn at their own speed. Certainly hope this hobbyist learned to ask questions here and then make an informed decision.

The more I know, the more I realize what I don't know. I've also learned not all LFS are the same.
 
jerryz said:
As mean spirited as all the people who were never going to go there again based on this one sided story? Interesting. Or mean spirited because it brings personal responsibility into play. I understand that's an antiquated concept these days.
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now I know never to listen to your advise and never to buy anything from you....

now that sounds mean doesn't it....

we come to this site for advise right?

we go to are local fish stores to right?

we expect people tell us what we ask of...

you say do research!!!

that was the research if you can't ask someone that is in the profession then who can you ask???????
 
So far it seems this thread is only sharing thoughts and perspectives. Not sure why it should close other than a natural demise. It has not and should not be personal.

All LFS have their supporters and detractors. Others sharing their experiences allows us to make more informed decisions.
 
AZBeach said:
So far it seems this thread is only sharing thoughts and perspectives. Not sure why it should close other than a natural demise. It has not and should not be personal.

All LFS have their supporters and detractors. Others sharing their experiences allows us to make more informed decisions.
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True...the only reason I think it would close is IF we started discussing his ethical question as to who has the responsibility...ethics are always sticky subjects, especially with the few examples that have already popped into my head.

But I agree, I most certainly listen to other people's experience when looking at equipment, corals, stores, web sites, etc.
 
kbarnett63 said:
Alright, who is misreading my "thong". I thought no one would notice I wear a thong. :lmao:


Just trying to lighten the thread.
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LOL, posting from my phone is not always the best idea :) especially with autocorrect, i must have the perverted version of the iphone..lol.
 
Brian - that didn't seem harsh. It did make me laugh. And if that's what passes for research to you then, best of luck. But I'm so over this thread in any event.
 
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