Cooperband Butterfly Help

VJV

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Hi, I just bought a magnificent Copperband butterfly and it is currently in my 30g Quarantine tank. I am planning to have the following QT routine:

Week 1: just acclimating and trying to get him to eat.
Weeks 2-4: profilatic treatment with Cupramine.

Would love to hear all your experienced comments on this fish, namely:

1- best feeding strategies
2- sensitivity to copper treatment (experiences)
3- is it advisable to do a Paraguard or Prazi-Pro bath?

I will add pictures later but it is a large and very beautiful specimens, so all your experienced comments on how to best keep this fish are most welcome!

Thanks in advance!
 
My copperband didn't eat frozen food in the beginning. I went to the store and got live little neck clams. I opened it up and rubber banded it to a piece of live rock. She went right for it. As she got more settled in she started to eat brine, mysis and reef frenzy. Good luck
 
Mine was not eating anything after it cleared out my feather dusters and aiptasia for almost a month. Then all of a sudden started eating vitamin enriched mysis. It is now as aggressive as all the other fish at feeding time.


It will not eat anything else.
 
did u see the fish eating mysis or brine shrimp at the LFS? just buy the healthier eating one.


Actually... I did not ๐Ÿ˜ณ. They had two copperbands: one was there for a 2/3 weeks and I had actually reserved that one las week. But when I got there to pick him up they had this new one that was more than twice as large as that one ( this one is probably 6-7 inch long). I read several times that the larger ones tend to fare better and were usually hardier so I had the dilemma: bring the one that has been in the shop the longest or the bigger one? I ended up bringing the bigger one. I figured that he will probably have a bigger chance to survive with me taking care of him than if left at the LFS so am willing to take the risk.

But he is so beautiful that I really want him to make it ๐Ÿ˜Š
 
My copperband didn't eat frozen food in the beginning. I went to the store and got live little neck clams. I opened it up and rubber banded it to a piece of live rock. She went right for it. As she got more settled in she started to eat brine, mysis and reef frenzy. Good luck


Am going to buy clams today and also try to give him (her?... How can you tell?) garlic enriched Brine.
 
Mine was not eating anything after it cleared out my feather dusters and aiptasia for almost a month. Then all of a sudden started eating vitamin enriched mysis. It is now as aggressive as all the other fish at feeding time.





It will not eat anything else.


No feather duster or aiptasia in the QT... But encouraging comment ๐Ÿ˜Š
 
Some pics!

He seems alert, specially when there is no one near the tank. Fed some garlic enriched brine shrimp today, soaked in garlic guard (Seachem) he was definitely interested, but not sure how many he actually ate.

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Pics were uploaded in Tapatalk, not sure how the resolution comes out. If anyone knows a better way to attach pics just let me know how.
 
Just added an open live clam attached to a piece of plastic tubbing and he does not show the least interest!!!???? He did not even check it out...!

My questions know would be:

1- how long can I leave the clan in the QT? Can I leave it overnight?
2- should I add Guarlic Guard to the clam to see if he picks the sent?
3- I have frozen the remaining clams alive, based on some post I read. Is this the correct procedure or should I have first left them in water to open up?

On another topic, should I leave moonlight on all night (it is actually a bit brighter than a moonlight) or is it advisable to have some dark time?

Thanks in advance!

Kind regards
 
How long have you had the fish? It can take a while before they become interested in eating. I wouldn't leave the clam in the tank for anymore then 15 minutes or so. Garlic guard wouldn't hurt and freezing the clams is fine. On the next clam try to cut the clam up in the shell a bit. deffinetly give the fish some dark time to keep some stress down. Copperbands typically don't eat from the water column and I know it's a QT but maybe try putting a bit of Live rock in the tank for the fish to pick at. Copperbands tend to like aptasia so if you have any LR with aptasia that would be good to try on it
 
If you search this forum with the term "copper band butterfly" you will find several threads including one that started in 2009 and had its last post in early 2014. There is much to learn within.

I just purchased my first CB, a fish I have always wanted since the under-gravel filter days. I purchased it from a well known email supplier with one of the best reputations around. I have purchased livestock and hard goods before and will do so again. This purchase was a what you see is what you get purchase and listed the CB "net caught", 3 1/8" in size and was eating mysis and brine "very well". This company's reputation is so stellar, I fully believed the above description to be accurate. Although I believe this company's listing to be made in good faith and believed to have posted an accurate description, it was, unfortunately, not accurate. I travel for business every week and wanted a fish, not a project. I wanted a CB between 3"-4" because the little ones would have a more difficult time adjusting to my 120 gal. mixed reef community.
Anyway, when the fish arrived [the CB was securely and professionally packaged with ample 76.5 degree water], it proved to be less than 2.5"in size. After acclimation and several hours of adjusting, the little fellow was exploring the QT and appeared calm and friendly. I partitioned the 29 gal. tank because he was sharing the aquarium with a small yellow tang. My new CB was very active and did not hide when I approached. I keep my QT up between fish purchases and it is well cycled and properly filtered with a small power head providing current. I was disappointed that his belly was not fuller but it was not shrunken either. I was told the fish had been keep keep over a month at the supplier and had been fed Hikari mysis & Hikari brine. I had the exact products so, when the little guy, appearing to be properly settled in his new home, I fed him a little of both. No interest, not even a nibble. This was on a late Friday afternoon. "No problem, let's wait on the morning."
Well, there was no change Saturday. I had a perky fish that ignored every thing I had in the freezer. I tried PE Mysis, clam cubes, several types of Ocean Nutrition frozen cubes. Hikari combo cubes and, finally, Rod's Food. I called the seller. The customer service rep. was very nice but she had no personal knowledge about the fish's diet and there was no one in the fish farm area on the weekend. She volunteered to send the care staff an email and asking the exact foods fed to the CB. No help from this direction until Monday. Sunday, my guy still refused all I offered. I did see him eat one brine shrimp & mouth a couple of other shrimp and spit them out. A small step. I also noticed he continually was picking a the ceramic boulders that provide shelter and on the glass. I realized the CB was eating pods!. When I first put the Yellow tang in the tank, I put some caulerpia [SP?] in the QT for him to nibble. I had delayed the YT's QT because I wanted to introduce both fish together upon the CB's QT completion. Apparently, the pods came on the algae and multiplied over the 4 weeks. So by chance, at least he was eating something. But those pods were not enough to support even a small CB.
Monday am, before leaving for work, I did get the CB to take some few PE Cyclop-eeze. Guess he thought they were pods. Still no interest in brine or mysis.
I got an email stating the supplier had fed the Hikari mysis and Hikari Brine with spirulina. Okay, I ordered two flats next day air. I should tell you that my nearest LFS is 136 miles away. They might have mysis but usually not and they are good folks but have limited salt water stock. Almost my purchases are made through the internet/ phone. The trusted supplier did reply to my weekend inquiry. I had sent photos of the a tape measure stretched along the QT tank with a very accommodating CB swimming behind it proving his size. It's funny but when I told the customer service representative that although the fish appeared to be slightly under 2.5" [not 3 1/8"], that he was smaller yet due to water refraction. The rule is objects appear 1/4 to 1/3 larger than real size. The lady was completely unaware of this. They did agree the the fish was smaller than described and a significant error had been made. I suggested that my fish may had come from a grow-out tank and was not the fish advertised. "No", they replied, it was the proper fish. "a typo error" had been made with the internet posting.With Copper Bands it's hard to tell one from another, at least I can not do it. They offered a $20.00 credit or refund if I wanted to keep the fish or they would send a return authorization number and pay all costs for shipping the fish back and fully refund me the price for him. I decided the little guy had done enough traveling and I would take on the project I had tried to avoid. I used the $20.00 credit for a PARTIAL payment - just shipping costs actually- for the spirulina brine shrimp. The new brine shrimp arrived Wednesday and fed that evening. My copper band butterfly completely ignored it with never a nibble. By Thursday, the little guy appears to be getting smaller.....in the belly. He continued to peck at rocks/ glass eating pods and maybe eat one or two of the plain Hikari brine. He did not like the brine with spirulina and never touched it. Mysis was and still is ignored. Thursday, I ordered black worms from California 1/2 lb. with two storage trays cost $63.99 overnight shipping included. My CB even stopped eating the PE Clclop-eeze. If the black worms where a failure, my plan was to take a leap of faith and introduce in to the D. tank. No a good option but it's full of pods, feather worms some nuisance anemones and misc stuff.
Well the black worms arrived Friday afternoon. He suddenly became a black worm eating machine eating 10 to 15 at each meal. I think he would eat more but appears to loose interest once they stopped their salt water death throes.
He seems to be a little fuller as I write this and I think my first hurdle has been passed. I will condition him for a week, my wife who reluctantly feeds the main display flake & pellets, has volunteered to feed the worms when I am away. I will use prazipro on both the tang and the butterfly. I have also already dipped each for 1 hour with paraguard at the end of acclimation. Neither fish show any signs or symptoms of disease, both are active. About every other day, I lift the partition and let the fish swim together for awhile. The CB does not appear distressed and can back off the tang who simply is being a butthead tang, bossy & pushy. The CB ignores him using the opportunity to hunt for pods in new territory. I do return each to opposite ends of the tank as we have plenty of time. My idea is the YT will act as a distraction to a larger Yellow Eye Tang. Kind of hoping the YT and a couple of mirrors will allow my little CB settle in 4 or 5 weeks from now.
I wanted to tell my story to help others with ideas and tactics that may be of help. I STRONGLY suggest, If you have access to a local fish store with quality stock, buy such fish where you can see firsthand the size, behavior and eating habits of such difficult fish before you buy. I think my supplier is still a cut above most internet livestock providers. Unfortunately, because of my location such companies are my only choice for quality stock.
Sorry for such a long winded post but the OP wanted copper band stories. I hope others follow.

RJA
 
Rjallen, thank you very much for the detailed first hand experience!!! Extremely useful! Well, I have had mine in the QT for 2 days and he has not eaten anything... ๐Ÿ˜žI do not believe my LFS has black worms but will ask today. Yesterday tried to give him a live clam but he ignored it as well. He seems to dart back and forth towards the front glass, not sure if is is normal or stress.
 
How long have you had the fish? It can take a while before they become interested in eating. I wouldn't leave the clam in the tank for anymore then 15 minutes or so. Garlic guard wouldn't hurt and freezing the clams is fine. On the next clam try to cut the clam up in the shell a bit. deffinetly give the fish some dark time to keep some stress down. Copperbands typically don't eat from the water column and I know it's a QT but maybe try putting a bit of Live rock in the tank for the fish to pick at. Copperbands tend to like aptasia so if you have any LR with aptasia that would be good to try on it


Hi Steve. I have had it for two days now. Unfortunately I do not have live rock now, though I guess I could get some from the LFS. Also no Aptasia in the DT.

Today I have tried to feed brine again and he could not care less... I will try the clam again and cut it a little bit as you suggested.

He does get agitated when the garlic enriched brine enter the water... I guess the smell is attractive to him. But it seems that he would not know what to do with the little floating shrimp that fall around him.
 
He took a couple of bites of a clam ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€. The funny thing was that I was going to take the clam out of the tank. As I pulled the piece of pipe out and loosened the rubber band that was holding the clam it felt to the bottom of the tank. I grabbed the clam in my hand and out of desperation tried to hand feed the CBB. Much to my surprise he was not intimidated by this and looked curiously at my hand for a minute or so. Than he moved forward and took the first bite!

He must have liked it because I than left he clam on the bottom of the tank and he took probably 4 or 5 bites more.

Hopefully a good sign ๐Ÿ˜ƒ๐Ÿ˜ƒ๐Ÿ˜ƒ
 
He took a couple of bites of a clam ๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€๐Ÿ˜€. The funny thing was that I was going to take the clam out of the tank. As I pulled the piece of pipe out and loosened the rubber band that was holding the clam it felt to the bottom of the tank. I grabbed the clam in my hand and out of desperation tried to hand feed the CBB. Much to my surprise he was not intimidated by this and looked curiously at my hand for a minute or so. Than he moved forward and took the first bite!

He must have liked it because I than left he clam on the bottom of the tank and he took probably 4 or 5 bites more.

Hopefully a good sign ๐Ÿ˜ƒ๐Ÿ˜ƒ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

VJV

First a stop gap solution. If you have any macro algae in your refugium, check and see if you have a good pod population. If you transfer some macro algae to the QT tank. The CB doesn't care about the algae but he will eat the pods. Its a stopgap solution but it can get the feeding impulses going.
My "trusted supplier" suggested feeding up to five times a day. Both my wife and I work and cannot do this. I have some Hikari clams on the half shell. They are small. We put one of these shells in the QT in the early am after morning feeding. My CB does pick at it. We have noticed the darker meats always disappear during the day and the white meats are shredded so he does eat some. We are doing feeding 3x per day. My guy is still pounding back the black worms. What is funny is the yellow tang in the same tank seems not to be overly fond of the black worms.
A question for all: I have a very good population of very small serpent stars in my tank and they have to be picked out of my filter socks. I am going to try a few and see what my CB does with them. Think those arms may be attractive. Anyone do this?

RJA
 
Thanks RJA. Unfortunately I do not have a refugium... He took some bites at some clams today. I am curious though: do you keep the clam the whole day in the QT? I have been told to leave them no more than 15min in this thread, but I do think that if I left it longer the CB would eat more...?

I do have an oversized filter and protein skimmer in the QT, which I feel could handle the dissolved organics of leaving the clam longer.
 
Another question: has anyone tried to put live clams in the tank and let nature do its thing? Would the CBB be able to eat the live clam? Maybe this is a stupid question but this way I could drop a couple into the tank and he would only go after one when he was hungry. The rest would be alive so no decomposing matter in the tank...?
 

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