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Cap'n: Does your copy have the "cheesy ads for Calfo's 'zine"?
It's a slippery slope when you start mixing commerce and sound Unbiased advice. People don't mind if you are opinionated but you really lose credibility if you have a hidden agenda. I have an aquarium design company as do you (Cap'n), but we keep that as a separate entity. I wonder if we could sell Amway on here without jeopardizing our integrity? Something has to pay the bills :)

I agree, there is a challenge to anyone in the profession on this board to manage the science from the economics of the job description. I believe the secret sauce for a successful run in this environment is exactly as you have put it Mr. Wilson, that is putting hidden agendas in another room. I realize there are a number of individuals on this thread that are professionals who depend on this kind of activity to " pay the bills " as you put it.

First, I respect you, the Capn and others who participate in forums such as this one on Reef Central. It says something profound about the character of the professional who is astute enough to realize the academic value to stretch themselves and continue to learn and grow without any other motivation than to enrich their education with other folks and customers in the business of reef keeping. I have run into 'fish guys' in this business who have told me to stay away from forums such as this one because they are a waste of time, that they are full of contradictory and misinformed sources of information. I believe that view of this business is corrupt and irresponsible as well as disrespectful of my ability to perhaps separate the algae from the seaweed. I have a ton of respect for the folks who come to the party late and still take the time to wade through a hundred pages because there might be something of value. If in that process, Mr. Wilson, they don't develop an affinity and respect for your contribution, among others, then something is terribly wrong. As far as downstream economic benefit? I firmly believe that it will come Mr. Wilson, and you will not have to chase it, it will find you.

Having said that, the book venture is a great idea birthed properly in the pursuit of raising the bar for all of us in this hobby. As editor and chief of this project we all encourage you to pursue this endeavor with our encouragement and support. No one would deny you any economic benefits accruing from the huge effort and focus it will take to get there. There are even some potential unpaid contributors I am sure who would assist simply for editorial recognition in such an undertaking.

Peter
 
Shawn, Thank you for me and thank you for our community. This is absolutely the tone and quality of experience I was hoping for when I opened this thread. You are very much a central part of the DNA for success and I bow to your knowledge and spirit of enthusiasm for this hobby...

+1 on that. mr. wilson to me is the most knowledgeable person in this hobby ever. hats off to you ;)
 
+1 on that. mr. wilson to me is the most knowledgeable person in this hobby ever. hats off to you ;)

Thanks for the kind words. I'm certainly not the most knowledgeable but I strive to be the most informative.

It's a great opportunity for all of us to come together here to learn. I live in close proximately to the tank in question here, but we have a group that spans the globe from Australia to Lithuania to California and beyond.

I was hoping to visit the world class Lithuanian Sea Museum last year while I was working on a public aquarium in neighbouring Poland. One of the exhibits I built for The Krakow Aquarium was a 900 gallon quarter cylinder Baltic Sea themed aquarium so I needed inspiration. Lithuania has the best Baltic Sea collection. On top of this it's displayed in an historic 19th century fort. http://www.juru.muziejus.lt/en/index.html I couldn't find the time to go but I will make it some time in the next few years. My mother is from Estonia to the north and I have never even been there :( My wife is Polish so I will be in the Baltic neighbourhood soon. I'm hoping to go to Hel this time. Everyone keeps telling me to go :) http://www.gohel.pl/portal.php
 
Mr. Wilson,it would be a great honor to meet you when you visit Lithuania.
Last year i was in "Sea Museum" that,as you mentioned is displayed in 19th century fort. It has exhibits about seafaring,it has very informative exhibits about corals, showing their bone structure, it also has exhibits of saltwater aquariums,but i failed to see any Baltic sea themed ones; on top of that there is dolphinarium,they have great shows there...
 
The relationship between forum and fish guy is tenuous at best. On one hand retailers don't like telling their customers about reef forums for fear of losing their clientele to discount etailers and local competitors that advertise there. Then you have wholesalers who keep their knowledge proprietary for a competitive edge. Then throw in some industry people who don't know as much as they should, some egos, and megalomania and it's a recipe for disaster.

For the most part, the industry people are a great wealth of knowledge and they love to share it as they in turn learn from the other forum members. It only takes a few bad apples who post positive feedback about purchase experience from their own company, post fishing threads looking for livestock only to pick up some PM contacts, post pictures of products they are selling, or start fake threads about a new product they happen to manufacture or distribute. The hard sell will get you nowhere in the reef hobby. Information is the most valuable currency here and in time you're gonna run out if you don't supply solid advice. The bad guys make a bad climate for the good ones, to the point where the industry people stay away or are so limited in what they can post or say that they simply fade away.
 
Mr. Wilson.......

Mr. Wilson.......

I was thinking of taking my lengthy list down to my LFS and saying fillerup please. But I'm not sure that's going to work. What is the best way to get this stuff??

Also when I get the controllers, won't this list change a little???or a lot????
Do I have to get the controllers first?

Is there an ideal setup or arrangement for this stuff? Or do you just throw it into a drawer for when you need it....???

Does anyone have any pics of an example of best practice??? Someone in this community should be able to show us what's in their closet as an example??

Seriously, remember folks, our build is about best practices wherever practical and possible. AND its NOT about size either. Good discipline will always trump size.

Peter
 
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Mr. Wilson,it would be a great honor to meet you when you visit Lithuania.
Last year i was in "Sea Museum" that,as you mentioned is displayed in 19th century fort. It has exhibits about seafaring,it has very informative exhibits about corals, showing their bone structure, it also has exhibits of saltwater aquariums,but i failed to see any Baltic sea themed ones; on top of that there is dolphinarium,they have great shows there...

The website says there are 5 Baltic Sea Aquariums. http://www.juru.muziejus.lt/en/inside.php?id=ekspo
 
The relationship between forum and fish guy is tenuous at best. On one hand retailers don't like telling their customers about reef forums for fear of losing their clientele to discount etailers and local competitors that advertise there. Then you have wholesalers who keep their knowledge proprietary for a competitive edge. Then throw in some industry people who don't know as much as they should, some egos, and megalomania and it's a recipe for disaster.

For the most part, the industry people are a great wealth of knowledge and they love to share it as they in turn learn from the other forum members. It only takes a few bad apples who post positive feedback about purchase experience from their own company, post fishing threads looking for livestock only to pick up some PM contacts, post pictures of products they are selling, or start fake threads about a new product they happen to manufacture or distribute. The hard sell will get you nowhere in the reef hobby. Information is the most valuable currency here and in time you're gonna run out if you don't supply solid advice. The bad guys make a bad climate for the good ones, to the point where the industry people stay away or are so limited in what they can post or say that they simply fade away.


Very well said Mr. Wilson!

Patrick
 
Hello Peter,

Peter, you mentioned a list of things to have on hand that I posted in nahham's 19,000 gallon reef build thread. Here is a somewhat updated version that would apply to you. I thought I should post it in this thread to keep everything in one thread. It's confusing enough stirring and sifting through this epic thread, let alone opening another can of tubeworms with other build threads.

Before I get to the list, here is an overview of how an aquarium of your size compares to a typical hobbyist tank, or nahham's larger open system on the sea for that matter. You have a very large investment that warrants all the fail-safes you can muster. Even though the scale of your project is much smaller than that of nahham, the scope is much larger as you are running a closed system with more sensitive organisms.

You have so many fail safes and redundant equipment that it would be remiss to include a second opinion aquarium monitor/controller in your arsenal. I know little about it, but the new Vertex controller with touch screen technology looks interesting. I don't think it's on the market yet, but I'm sure you can sweet talk them into a bata test version with the captive audience you have here. I assume Profilux is their main competitor so you could acquire one of these units as your secondary/backup controller. having a second opinion is great. Both units can't be right and even if you don't know which one is more accurate, you can establish a line of precision. Even a broken watch has 100% precision twice a day. The controller may not hit the target dead on centre every time even when properly calibrated, but it will at least hit the same spot repeatedly.

The other approach would be to buy two identical controllers so you are truly comparing sea apples to sea apples. This will offer you a spare parts source for your primary controller. Use only one controller to govern the functionality of the devices you want to control. It will become too confusing if you try to spread the workload. An alternative plan would be to start off with the best controller on the market and when a better one comes along in a year or two, upgrade and keep the old one as a second opinion machine. Part of the challenge will be keeping the probes and modules clean and organized, but it looks like you have experience with this from the audio video realm.

The liquid test kits by Lamotte, Hach, Merck, Salifert, Elos, and SeaChem are of good quality. Sometimes it is better to pick and choose individual tests from each company for ease of use and accuracy. As with the controller, a second opinion is vital as reagents can get contaminated or old and human error is unavoidable ("did is say add 5 drops or 5 ml, better add more just to be on the safe side?") :)

Here is the amended list originally posted for nahham...

1) Digital PH controller for calcium reactor body to govern Co2 dosing.
2) Digital PH controller for system water to override Co2 dosing and or dose kalkwasser and sodium bicabonate.
3) Digital dissolved oxygen meter. You can move it around, but it should get homogenous readings throughout the water column. You will however get lower readings in slow flow reactors and deep sand beds. Order extra probes as they don't last forever and cannot be calibrated.
4) Digital salinity meter.
5) Refractometer and glass hydrometer for double checking salinity.
6) Liquid ammonia test kit.
7) Liquid chlorine test kit for bleaching fishroom tanks.
8) Liquid nitrite test kit.
9) Liquid nitrate test kit (premium low range).
10) Liquid calcium test kit (premium brand).
11) Liquid magnesium test kit (premium brand).
12) Liquid carbonate hardness test kit (premium brand).
13) Digital dual TDS meter for adding pure freshwater. One for the water entering the deionizer and one measuring the water exiting. It's also nice have a hand held TDS meter to know what the municipal water source is like as it shifts seasonally in most areas.
14) Digital redox/ORP controller
15) Digital phosphate photometer (Milwaukee or Hanna).
16) Liquid phosphate test kit (low range Merck).
17) Liquid iodine test kit (premium brand).
18) Liquid strontium test kit (premium brand).
19) Liquid silicate test kit (premium brand).
20) Liquid copper test kit (free copper & total copper).
21) Quantum/PAR meter.
22) Scientific analog thermometer to calibrate digital meters.
23) Titanium ground probes.

At some point it time you should also start stocking up on chemicals to correct the parameters you are testing such as...

1) Hydrochloric acid (cleaning & lowering PH)
2) Calcium hydroxide (raising & maintaining calcium & PH)
3) Calcium chloride (raising calcium quickly)
4) Sodium carbonate (raising carbonate hardness & PH)
5) Sodium bicarbonate (raising carbonate hardness & lowering PH)
6) Peroxide (raising dissolved oxygen & redox as well as disinfecting)
7) Dry salt mix (raising salinity)
8) Sodium hypochlorite (pool/household bleach for sterilizing filters, equipment and holding tanks)
9) Sodium thiosulphate (neutralizing sodium hypochlorite/dechlorinating). Buy Seachem Prime as it also detoxifies ammonia and nitrite. Have lts on hand for emergencies.
10) Potassium permanganate (disinfecting equipment corals & fish, as well as neutralizing medications)
11) Lugols iodine (disinfecting corals & fish)
12) Formalin (treating fish parasites)
13) Malachite green (treating fish parasites)
14) Nitrofurazone (wide spectrum antibiotic)
15) Neomycin (wide spectrum antibiotic)
16) Isoniazid & rifampin (fish TB treatment)
17) Quinacrine hydrochloride (protozoan/cryptocaryon ich treatment)
18) Metronidazole (protozoacide & antibiotic)
19) Chelated or ionic copper (Mardel Coppersafe or Seachem cupramine)
20) Methylene blue (aids to clear gills of parasites in bath)
21) Piperazine & Dylox & praziquantel (dewormers)
22) Rubber gloves, disposable surgical gloves, droppers, scientific glassware, tweezers, grabbers, nets, flashlights,
23) Parasite eating doctor fish and cleaner shrimp for the acclimation tanks.
24) Flat worm medication. (Salifert Flatworm exit/Dylox).
25) Red bug medication (Interceptor/Dylox).
26) Iron and manganese based macro algae supplement.
27) Activated carbon.
28) Granular phosphate remover.
29) Fragging tools, glues, and plugs, rubber bands, cable ties and tape.
30) Floating clear acrylic viewing box for looking at the tank from the top down.
31) Acrylic buffer and polishing kits.
32) Whiteboard, notebook & labels for fishroom tanks.
33) Fish food, auto feeders, brine shrimp eggs and hatcheries, phytoplankton culture device, rotifer tanks etc.
34) Microscope or magnifying glass.
35) Algae removing sticks, single edge razor blades magnets & scrapers.
36) Gravel cleaning hose and gravel separator. Siphon hoses, strainers, water scoops, utility pumps, buckets, heaters and sieves.
37) Fish bags rubber bands and insulated styrofoam shipping boxes.
38) Feeding tubes and syringes.
39) Turkey basters and powerheads mounted on poles to blast detritus from the rocks.
40) Portable diatom filter.
41) Pest traps for worms and parasites.
42) Fish traps for fish that become pests or need to be removed for treatment.
43) Seachem ammonia alert badges for the fishroom tanks.
44) Ammonium chloride & sodium nitrite for cycling tanks.
45) Bacterial culture for cycling tanks.
46) Strontium for maintaing NSW levels.
47) A safe place to store all this junk, especially the next item.
48) Vodka and lots of it.

Anyone care to add anything I may have missed?

Refering to Mr. Wilsons list I thought the easiest way to attempt to provide you some feedback in regards to your question about picking up the list is to include it in my reply.

It appears to me that most of the list provided can be aquired at the local fish store except for perhaps some of the items listed in the 1-10 section (ie. peroxide) which I would assume you could aquire at the grocery store? Excuse my ignorance as I have never used peroxide, however I am sure Mr. Wilson will chime in on a proper location to aquire that and some other particular items.

I am curious if you have looked into how your going to be utilizing Carbon and Granular Feric Oxide/Phosphate remover on your system......there are many different methods employed by hobbyists from just placing the material in a "sock" to running it in a type of enclosed reactor.

Perhaps the most challenging item to aquire may be number #25 interceptor... I did note though that your avatar has a good looking shetland sheepdog? If I am to assume that is your dog you would have a verterenarian and this is where you aquire this product as it is a heartworm medication. The specific package that is generall suggested is for medium to large dogs titled Interceptor - millbemycin oxime 23 to 45 kg - 23mg tablets.

Take Care,

Patrick
 
I was thinking of taking my lengthy list down to my LFS and saying fillerup please. But I'm not sure that's going to work. What is the best way to get this stuff??

Also when I get the controllers, won't this list change a little???or a lot????
Do I have to get the controllers first?

Is there an ideal setup or arrangement for this stuff? Or do you just throw it into a drawer for when you need it....???

Does anyone have any pics of an example of best practice??? Someone in this community should be able to show us what's in their closet as an example??

Seriously, remember folks, our build is about best practices wherever practical and possible. AND its NOT about size either. Good discipline will always trump size.

Peter

Peter

I have decided to take my revenge out on people who retire early with a comfortable platinum parachute :) I have focused all of my energy on tormenting you (Peter) with endless links and lists. My hope is that you are driven back into the active workforce so that you can keep paying taxes to support the system. To think people were asking you "what will you do with all that time", and "won't you miss working". :)

I would buy the controller first, and fill the missing modules (functions like dissolved oxygen, phosphate etc.) as stand alone units. In time the controller manufacturers can and will add all of these options. As walloutlet stated, the Profilux unit allows for personal modification and tinkering. I don't excel in that field so I yield to the other members here for that aspect of the build. I recommend that you buy a Proxilux unit from http://www.aqua-digital.com/index.php/ghl/profilux-iii/ They are the Canadian distributor and they have first hand knowledge in trouble shooting. Anything that can go wrong with the unit has been discussed at length.

The list is pretty divers so you will be keep you busy hunting for a bit. Sometimes you are better to see what you need to store and mount on the wall before you build your storage and wall hangers. Like you, I have never bought anything on ebay. I like to hold the item in my hand and get a feel for it before I buy it. In addition to that, there are some regulations with regard to medications and chemicals that you will have to respect so shipping may pose some difficulties. Some of the scientific stuff like glassware and droppers can be purchased at Efston science across from Yorkville Mall (sorry if this sounds so regional to the people following in Tonga). http://www.escience.ca/ As mentioned before, Bulk Reef Supply carries a lot of the items you need http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/store/

You can find some of the medications, books, nets, magnets etc., at mops.ca. The other more exotic medications can be legally acquired from the vet you take your Shelties to. I think you mentioned your wife breeds them??? If so, the vet knows you by now and will not have a problem prescribing antibiotic for your fish. You can also try Rens feed centre on Trafalgar @ Burnahamthorpe in Oakville. In the past you could buy all kinds of antibiotics and dewormers at the farm supply feed stores but now they often require a permit or license of some sort. I think you can still buy nitrofurazone, erythromycin, tetracycline, and neomycin. These are used for turkey and swine farming, albeit far too much. These guys in Cambridge sell to vets & pet shops and carry all the drugs you ever dreamed of http://www.kanevet.com/ccia.html You could also try these guys south of the border. http://www.fishyfarmacy.com/products3.html

If you can't find some of the specialty items locally, you could go through one of these large mail order companies. I listed their location so you can factor in shipping. Perry down in Pennsylvania at http://www.championlighting.com/home.php or these guys in Indiana http://premiumaquatics.com/store/merchant.mvc or these guys in California http://www.marinedepot.com/

I would try to find out what you need on a regular basis, and what is stored away for emergencies and organize it accordingly. Remember you are dealing with chemicals and water so a drip/spill catcher and rubber mat are a good idea. Oh yeah, lots of towels :) Don't ever use paper towels on acrylic. Use the soft white shop towels for the outside and Mr. Clean Quick Eraser (no chemicals added version) for the inside. You will need towel racks, hose rollers, book shelves, oxygen for packing fish if you want to go nuts, shallow drawers for medications and chemicals with leakproof bottoms. Plastic rubbermaid containers help keep chemicals isolated and safe. You are going to need a labeling machine if you don't already have one, a tool box that is protected from salt water, or hooks on the walls if you want them to be more handy. As far as storage units go, you can't beat http://www.8020.net/ It's all non-corrosive aluminum and the possibilities are endless. Like they say on the website "The industrial Erector Set".
 
nineball said:
Is there an ideal setup or arrangement for this stuff? Or do you just throw it into a drawer for when you need it....???
This, to me, is a really significant point that I hope may perhaps generate some thought and discussion. Mr. Wilson's extensive list of supplies hints at a number of specific applications in different aspects of the reef hobby, but does not go into actual descriptions. One of the more beneficial aspects of a reef keeping DVD I purchased a while ago was, for me, an actual demonstration of how to take apart and clean a Venturi type skimmer. Seeing how to do something was a lot clearer than trying to interpret a written description and didn't take nearly as much time to comprehend.

Now, I know Mr. Wilson has talked about a possible book, but since Peter has already raised the general subject of what to do with all this stuff, I would like to suggest a video or series of short videos of some sort to not just list what the different aspects of reef keeping are, but how to perform them. If Mr. Wilson is camera shy, I'm sure he could find some hapless soul to stand in and play avatar (one of those big blue thingies) for him.

Barring video, an ebook then, detailing not just what the bits and pieces are, but the whens, hows and whys of using them in a practical application.

Thx,

Dave.M
 
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Instructional videos are invaluable. I use them for graphics and photo editing software on a regular basis. Ironically, I have a few Adobe books that I fond little value in, but I think it was the format rather than the media. Like most people I need instant gratification. If and when I publish a book, video links would be a big part of it. I have a decent hobby video camera and Final Cut Pro software (if I find time to watch the instructional videos). I actually had a guy from a tv production company contact me recently for a "Aquarium Designer" show he is trying to pitch. It would be more about the aesthetics and drama than tech stuff though. Youtube has lots of reef stuff, but there is a lot of junk to filter through to find the gems. A link share network would be an asset if it can be policed properly for quality control and to weed out self-serving advertisers.

The hard part about instructional reef videos is they are pretty specific when it comes down to equipment servicing. I can show where to stick a paperclip (add that to the list) to free up salt buildup, and where to dump hot water so the skimmer can "breathe", but it's a little different with each model. I still agree 100% that there are many things one just can't get out of printed matter.

I like the spread sheets like the ones on aquariumcontrollers.com, and the calculators here on RC. An online multiple choice flowchart that helps identify fish diseases would be a huge asset. One could adapt existing software from the health industry... or Peter can write it :)

Mike Paletta has a good book (Ultimate Marine Aquariums) that features high profile aquariums similar to Peter's and Chingchia's. What I like about it is the format is similar for each tank description so you can compare the different ways of achieving the same goal. To a novice, Peter & Chingchai's aquariums appear to be similar in approach, but with a closer look they are vastly different from each other. Perhaps TOTM has filled the need for such a book. A narrative comparing the TOTMs would be an asset, as many readers may overlook details and commonalities.
 
Excuse my ignorance as I have never used peroxide, however I am sure Mr. Wilson will chime in on a proper location to aquire that and some other particular items.

You can use peroxide to temporarily raise redox potential, and dissolved oxygen levels. Peroxide is H2o2. It breaks down into water and oxygen as it oxidizes organics in the water and on surfaces. You can use it to treat wounds on fish and corals, or squirt it with a syringe in concentrated levels to kill pests and nuisance algae. At therapeutic levels it kills bacteria and parasites... and it turns your hair orange.

I am curious if you have looked into how your going to be utilizing Carbon and Granular Feric Oxide/Phosphate remover on your system......there are many different methods employed by hobbyists from just placing the material in a "sock" to running it in a type of enclosed reactor.

Peter has a few cards he hasn't shown us yet. Maybe Peter can do some tests in his (fishroom) lab so we can find out if we really need a fluidized bed for GFO (granular ferric oxide phosphate remover) or GAC (granular activated carbon) or if we can just throw it in a media bag (sock).

Perhaps the most challenging item to aquire may be number #25 interceptor... I did note though that your avatar has a good looking shetland sheepdog? If I am to assume that is your dog you would have a verterenarian and this is where you aquire this product as it is a heartworm medication. The specific package that is generall suggested is for medium to large dogs titled Interceptor - millbemycin oxime 23 to 45 kg - 23mg tablets.

Take Care,

Patrick

Interceptor is a 9:1 ratio of praziquantel (Droncit) and Milbemycin oxime. Praziquantel is a dewormer drug that is easy to find in the aquarium trade (eg. Hikari Prazipro). I'm also pretty sure the guy at my local 7-11 parking lot can get you the stuff :)

Praziquantel has use in freshwater applications for treating internal parasitic worms in guppies, discus, goldfish & koi. In marine applications it kills "red bug" parasites on acropora, and internal parasites in marine fish, particularly laterally compressed/flat fish like tangs, angels and butterflies.

p.s. I don't think you need a prescription to buy Interceptor in Canada. It is available as a praziquantel/milbemycin oxime cocktail or without the praziquantel. More info here http://www.*********.com/forums/f16/interceptor-tasty-chews-lps-contains-praziquantel-37938.html (rhymes with beef2beef)
 
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I have decided to take my revenge out on people who retire early with a comfortable platinum parachute :) I have focused all of my energy on tormenting you (Peter) with endless links and lists. My hope is that you are driven back into the active workforce so that you can keep paying taxes to support the system. To think people were asking you "what will you do with all that time", and "won't you miss working". :)

I would buy the controller first, and fill the missing modules (functions like dissolved oxygen, phosphate etc.) as stand alone units. In time the controller manufacturers can and will add all of these options. As walloutlet stated, the Profilux unit allows for personal modification and tinkering. I don't excel in that field so I yield to the other members here for that aspect of the build. I recommend that you buy a Proxilux unit from http://www.aqua-digital.com/index.php/ghl/profilux-iii/ They are the Canadian distributor and they have first hand knowledge in trouble shooting. Anything that can go wrong with the unit has been discussed at length.

The list is pretty divers so you will be keep you busy hunting for a bit. Sometimes you are better to see what you need to store and mount on the wall before you build your storage and wall hangers. Like you, I have never bought anything on ebay. I like to hold the item in my hand and get a feel for it before I buy it. In addition to that, there are some regulations with regard to medications and chemicals that you will have to respect so shipping may pose some difficulties. Some of the scientific stuff like glassware and droppers can be purchased at Efston science across from Yorkville Mall (sorry if this sounds so regional to the people following in Tonga). http://www.escience.ca/ As mentioned before, Bulk Reef Supply carries a lot of the items you need http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/store/

You can find some of the medications, books, nets, magnets etc., at mops.ca. The other more exotic medications can be legally acquired from the vet you take your Shelties to. I think you mentioned your wife breeds them??? If so, the vet knows you by now and will not have a problem prescribing antibiotic for your fish. You can also try Rens feed centre on Trafalgar @ Burnahamthorpe in Oakville. In the past you could buy all kinds of antibiotics and dewormers at the farm supply feed stores but now they often require a permit or license of some sort. I think you can still buy nitrofurazone, erythromycin, tetracycline, and neomycin. These are used for turkey and swine farming, albeit far too much. These guys in Cambridge sell to vets & pet shops and carry all the drugs you ever dreamed of http://www.kanevet.com/ccia.html You could also try these guys south of the border. http://www.fishyfarmacy.com/products3.html

If you can't find some of the specialty items locally, you could go through one of these large mail order companies. I listed their location so you can factor in shipping. Perry down in Pennsylvania at http://www.championlighting.com/home.php or these guys in Indiana http://premiumaquatics.com/store/merchant.mvc or these guys in California http://www.marinedepot.com/

I would try to find out what you need on a regular basis, and what is stored away for emergencies and organize it accordingly. Remember you are dealing with chemicals and water so a drip/spill catcher and rubber mat are a good idea. Oh yeah, lots of towels :) Don't ever use paper towels on acrylic. Use the soft white shop towels for the outside and Mr. Clean Quick Eraser (no chemicals added version) for the inside. You will need towel racks, hose rollers, book shelves, oxygen for packing fish if you want to go nuts, shallow drawers for medications and chemicals with leakproof bottoms. Plastic rubbermaid containers help keep chemicals isolated and safe. You are going to need a labeling machine if you don't already have one, a tool box that is protected from salt water, or hooks on the walls if you want them to be more handy. As far as storage units go, you can't beat http://www.8020.net/ It's all non-corrosive aluminum and the possibilities are endless. Like they say on the website "The industrial Erector Set".
Some of the chemicals like interceptor are very tough to get and you need a prescription from a Vet to get some of them. I have a lot of interceptor :)
 
BDH (British Drug House) http://www.macraesbluebook.com/search/company.cfm?company=1102 carries a full line of antibiotics and medications. They don't sell to the public. I contacted them 20 years ago and they sent me to a company called Good Health & Safety who are a distributor. When I went to pick up my order I was surprised that it was a guy living in a townhouse by the airport :) I felt silly driving back to my 4000 sq' warehouse. I just looked him up and he's still in business. It looks like a 1500 sq' house a little farther from the airport so business must be good. Anyway he can get you the "stuff". http://www.yellowpages.ca/bus/Ontario/Mississauga/Good-Health-Safety/2294388.html

Novapharm in Scarborough also supplies medications to aquarium stores. If they won't sell direct to you they can refer you to a distributor or retailer. http://www.novanb.com/cn_profile.htm

Canada Colors & Chemicals http://www.canadacolors.com/canadacolors/eng/home.asp sell a full line of chemicals in varying purity according to your needs. CCC used to have a $500 minimum, but it's been awhile since I've bought from them.

Fischer Chemicals http://fischerchem.com/Productlist/?pid=115 also carry a full line of chemicals. I just found another company, Fischer Scientific while looking up FC's website. Looks interesting. https://www.fishersci.ca/Default.aspx I also didn't know that Fischer Chemicals have an aquaculture line. Speaking of which, these guys are a big US distributor of aquaculture equipment http://www.aquaticeco.com/ Argent used to be in Canada but are now only in the US. They carry aquaculture supplies, some ornamental fish supplies and some of the best foods available for coral, ie. cyclop eeze http://www.cyclop-eeze.com/

It's good to get these sources out of my head and recorded somewhere so I can make room for new info.
 
Cap'n: Does your copy have the "cheesy ads for Calfo's 'zine"?
It's a slippery slope when you start mixing commerce and sound Unbiased advice. People don't mind if you are opinionated but you really lose credibility if you have a hidden agenda. I have an aquarium design company as do you (Cap'n), but we keep that as a separate entity. I wonder if we could sell Amway on here without jeopardizing our integrity? Something has to pay the bills :)

Mine is more service orientated then design orientated like yours, so if we ever co authored anything we would not have to resort to cheesy adds against each other.:)
 
In perspective I service 25 tanks besides my own:

My clean up kit consists of
2 magnet scrapers--one for large tanks and one for cubes
3 pole scrapers---long, medium and a little shorty
1 maxijet 1200 that I have rigged with garden hose for draining of tanks
plastic drop sheets and towels

My testing kit consists of:
Salifert tests for calcium, magnesium, alkalinity, phosphates
Api test kits for ammonia and nitrates
refractometer for salinity
Ph/temperature meter
TDS meter
Baking soda, Kent Turbo calcium, Kent Super dkH, epsom salts, Kent Tech-M
Seachem Prime and Seachem Stabilizer

I can carry 12 5 gal pails of ro water or premixed salt water with me
I also have 1 battery operated substrate vacuum for small tanks
1 60 foot python that I use for freshwater tank changes


That allows me to monitor and service 25 tanks--both freshwater and salt--

As far as the actual business itself I have most of the equipment that Mr. Wilson has suggested but that is to manage live stock supplying ,other situations that arise and producing and storing about 150gal of ro/di water or mixed salt
BTW
thanks for the check list Mr.W
 
This, to me, is a really significant point that I hope may perhaps generate some thought and discussion. Mr. Wilson's extensive list of supplies hints at a number of specific applications in different aspects of the reef hobby, but does not go into actual descriptions. One of the more beneficial aspects of a reef keeping DVD I purchased a while ago was, for me, an actual demonstration of how to take apart and clean a Venturi type skimmer. Seeing how to do something was a lot clearer than trying to interpret a written description and didn't take nearly as much time to comprehend.

Now, I know Mr. Wilson has talked about a possible book, but since Peter has already raised the general subject of what to do with all this stuff, I would like to suggest a video or series of short videos of some sort to not just list what the different aspects of reef keeping are, but how to perform them. If Mr. Wilson is camera shy, I'm sure he could find some hapless soul to stand in and play avatar (one of those big blue thingies) for him.

Barring video, an ebook then, detailing not just what the bits and pieces are, but the whens, hows and whys of using them in a practical application.

Thx,

Dave.M

They use to have a science show on cbs from 4.30 to 5. I use to run large science fairs where they would come to the show and film them and then run the program on the show.
I have often thought it would nice to run a weekly show on this hobby but would not want to do it myself as my knowledge just isn't extensive enough to do it on my own with confidence.
Gee Mr.Wilson we could do that and get Peter to produce it:beer:

I can be Dennis just dropping in on Mr. Wilson to see what his fish tanks have to offer today
 
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