Coral Tank from Canada (1350gal Display Tank)

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mr willson,
since we are using SkimZ skimmers, are we going to replace the robot with this sweet thing?
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I believe the city inspector was worried because he saw a domestic water line going into the RO unit and then continuing out to the mixing tanks. He didn't fully understand the system and was thinking that if the municipal water pressure failed, these lines could essentially drain the salt water mixing tanks back into the municipal system. This of course could not happen as the RO lines in the tanks are above the water...but just to be sure, he insisted upon back flow preventers (it is easier sometimes to just do it than to explain the whole system).

BTW, the inspector was there to do a final inspection on the entire basement reno we did and he wanted to look in the fish room to see the sink and drain there and then saw this massive threat to the entire global water system.

I would guess he read the memo of an incident that happened in Guelph a few years ago, a automotive company had a coolant (cutting oil for machine tools) mixing system connected to the city water supply that back fed in to the city water supply and contaminated one of the city's water towers. I was not happy that day as I couldn't get my Timmy's :mad: it shut down the water supply to half of Guelph.

I guess if the tap water is salty in Oakville we know were it's coming from.:lol2:

Best thing to do with inspectors is if it cost's less then $100.00 to make them happy just do it! it's not worth the effort other wise.
 
Mr. Wilson I just realized after watching your video on reef videos about the duplex sump idea who you really were. It makes all your info even more credible since you have your own video and stuff.





































































































































































:DJust kidding buddy, you have an infinite amount of knowledge and wisdom to share with this community and Peter is very lucky to have someone of your caliber working alongside him in this build. Now all I need to do is have you commission my next tank build! Will you work for Corona's?:D
 
Forgive me Peter, I've been playing catch up for the last week on the thread so I did look to see if this was addressed, but I apologize if it was and I missed it. This is definitely not the case with fish that are likely to jump. It has nothing to do with whether or not they are happy, fish like wrasses, basslets, pseudochromis, and anthias (among others) are some of the worst jumpers. They don't jump because they are unhappy and want to escape the tank, they just jump when something startles them either inside or outside the tank.

It's kind of like if you were watching the tank and someone snuck up behind you and poked you in the side. You'd get startled and jump a little. It doesn't mean you're unhappy, it's just instinct. Same thing with fish and when something startles them they can dart in any direction, including up and sometimes this means out of the water. The fish have no concept that they can dash up and out of the water and somehow not come back down. Obviously in the wild fish are usually facing unlimited space to dart in all directions including up and if they do leave the water their is nothing stopping them from falling back down like there might be on our tanks at home.

This leads many people to cover their tanks with things like eggcrate (not the best idea as it acts as a light diffuser). A better idea is to use very fine netting because this has less impact on the light and no impact on evaporation. You can also feed through it so no need to move it all the time. There are online vendors like Bulk Reef Supply that even sell the netting by the foot and with plastic frames so you can build your own covers that can then easily be moved for when you need access to the tank.

I will give you that it's not like a fish is destined to jump out, but it can, and very often does happen. Though the more room the fish has to dart around like there is in your tank, the less likely they'll end up outside the tank, it's still better to be safe than sorry.

Just wanted to throw in my .02. Hope you don't mind the perspective (though considering your posts, I doubt you will).

Your points Apparition are all well made and appreciated. I have to admit my somewhat cavalier attitude about fish jumping was is some small part a weak attempt at humour. I do know that jumping behaviour is normal and that there can be any number of reasons to cause it. According to Mr. Wilson, the statistical frequency of trajectories is to edge skim more than centerline jumps. I have been lucky so far I think due to the closed ring around the top of the tank, as well as the closed canopy and have not had any casualties from the display tank, even with the aggressive maintenance routines and other miscellaneous activities.

I do plan on addressing the open portions of the tank top after I finalize the lighting. This subject will come up again when I choose the best design which I believe will be along the lines you have suggested here.

Thank again

Peter
 
Your points Apparition are all well made and appreciated. I have to admit my somewhat cavalier attitude about fish jumping was is some small part a weak attempt at humour. I do know that jumping behaviour is normal and that there can be any number of reasons to cause it. According to Mr. Wilson, the statistical frequency of trajectories is to edge skim more than centerline jumps. I have been lucky so far I think due to the closed ring around the top of the tank, as well as the closed canopy and have not had any casualties from the display tank, even with the aggressive maintenance routines and other miscellaneous activities.

I do plan on addressing the open portions of the tank top after I finalize the lighting. This subject will come up again when I choose the best design which I believe will be along the lines you have suggested here.

Thank again

Peter

Ya Peter you could probably make something from simple window screen frame material. I have tons of screening, very fine so it doesn't take away light. Next time I'm at Home Depot I'll take a look. I have so much scrap screening so don't bother buying anything, you can just have it.
 
Ya Peter you could probably make something from simple window screen frame material. I have tons of screening, very fine so it doesn't take away light. Next time I'm at Home Depot I'll take a look. I have so much scrap screening so don't bother buying anything, you can just have it.

Thank You Sir, you are a scholar and a 'Gentleman' which prevents you from applying for the position of Peter's fish room girl but there are other things in life worth striving for.......maybe!

Peter
 
If you have a closed canopy you should be ok right?, unless theres large ledges the fish could get stuck on, or anything that could impale them (unlikely).

I've never had a net/egg crate on my tanks, and I've heard fish ping off the VHO/MH tubes and plop back in the water.... the only fish I ever lost was an eel, than actually climbed up the return, and slipped out of the small hole around the pipe at the back of my canopy.
 
Canadian Tire sells a 1/4" x 1/4" plastic chicken mesh that makes a great tank cover. I set mine up using aluminum window screen framing...

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Your points Apparition are all well made and appreciated. I have to admit my somewhat cavalier attitude about fish jumping was is some small part a weak attempt at humour. I do know that jumping behaviour is normal and that there can be any number of reasons to cause it. According to Mr. Wilson, the statistical frequency of trajectories is to edge skim more than centerline jumps. I have been lucky so far I think due to the closed ring around the top of the tank, as well as the closed canopy and have not had any casualties from the display tank, even with the aggressive maintenance routines and other miscellaneous activities.

I do plan on addressing the open portions of the tank top after I finalize the lighting. This subject will come up again when I choose the best design which I believe will be along the lines you have suggested here.

Thank again

Peter

Absolutely, I didn't want to come across like all of your fish were going to die tonight in a mass suicide. I just wanted to ensure you were aware of the possibility which it seems you are. As for me, my last tank was uncovered for 3.5 years and never had a single jumper. That being said, it was a very low budget affair and on my next tank I would love to take the time and patience (and a fraction of a percent of the money) you've used here to build the best tank I can. Part of that for me will be screening the top, but I suppose I should worry about having a tank first. I just tend to plan ahead for years before actually doing something. Thanks for your continued good will and commitment to excellence in the hobby.

Nick
 
My personal motto is if the fish is shaped like a torpedo, that's exactly what it is capable of doing right out of your tank! :fish1:

And I think my cat appreciates that fact. He refuses to get wet so he'll patiently wait for the fish to come to him.
 
I think more squares would be worse and have a more detrimental effect on light passing thru....
I would want it larger enough to let light pass easily, but not too large jumpers.

you can buy this mesh from bulkreefsupply (dot com), they also have tutorials on building the screens.
 
I would make sure that the aluminum is coated in some manner. I had a reflector right above my fuge for quite a while and the salt really did a number on it. I don't want to think about the damage that it caused having it slowly going into my watter.
 
I think more squares would be worse and have a more detrimental effect on light passing thru....
I would want it larger enough to let light pass easily, but not too large jumpers.


+1

I initially tried it with fibreglass window screen. To my eyes, it appeared as though a significant amount of light was getting blocked. With the mesh that I'm currently using, I can't see any change.

The aluminum is painted white - so far there hasn't been any noticable corrosion.
 
I think more squares would be worse and have a more detrimental effect on light passing thru....
I would want it larger enough to let light pass easily, but not too large jumpers.


+1

I initially tried it with fibreglass window screen. To my eyes, it appeared as though a significant amount of light was getting blocked. With the mesh that I'm currently using, I can't see any change.

The aluminum is painted white - so far there hasn't been any noticable corrosion.


Fair enough, Home Depot sells the aluminum pieces to make the screens for windows. Peter next week when I install teh water unit, I'll measure your openings so I know what you need.
 
yeah, the aluminum is powder coated or painted for outdoor use, I dont think there would be issues with corrosion.
 
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