Coral Tank from Canada (1350gal Display Tank)

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This is the one I use:
A+B Epo putty 100g
http://www.alteco.com.sg/products_epoxy_a&b_epo_putty.shtml#
It costs US$3 per pack.
If you can't find it there, I am happy to arrange shipment for you.

Thank you Chingchai. I will see if I can source this locally. If not I will pm you.

By the way, would you ask your countrymen to settle down. You can tell them that if I have to come over there to bring order they will be very very sorry. :furious:

Peter
 
I would really inspect every single rock real good for any Manjo or Aptashia. If I found any rocks with them than i would just cook the infected rocks and add them later.

Thanks Eric, with 2200 lbs of rock, if I find a rock I am not happy with for whatever reason, I will put it aside permanently.

Peter
 
If you time things right you can use the old water from the rock vats to jump-start your fish room tanks. If the old water is rich in ammonia or other forms of nitrogen (nitrite & nitrate), even better as it will feed the nitrifying & denitrifying bacteria you are trying to establish. Cycling a reef tank full of rock is relatively easy, as the rock is acting as your biological filter. Your system tanks sound like they will be devoid of rock at least initially, thus calling for a more stringent cycling protocol.

When I started in the marine hobby in 1979, the accepted method of cycling a tank was with black mollies or dead fish. Later we got more scientific and dosed ammonium chloride daily while cycling a tank to feed the beneficial bacteria. As reefkeeping continued along its slow path of evolution, the cycling chemical of choice was sodium nitrite or potassium nitrite, as the bacteria that converts ammonia to nitrite is quick to establish but the accumulation of nitrite takes a few weeks before it reaches a critical mass where the beneficial bacteria that consumes it can start doing its job. In the waiting process, nitrite spikes and causes fish and or invert mortality. In other (hopefully simpler words) adding nitrite speeds up the process and make minimizes toxic nitrite spikes.



If you are using live rock in the wet/dry filter you will improve the efficiency of nitrification, but in the process increase the build-up of residual nitrate. Rock is much more efficient than plastic media so your wet/dry filter will be doing exactly what some of the others have warned you about (creating a nitrate factory). One benefit of live rock is it potentially offers localized denitrification through anaerobic denitrifying bacteria within the rock. This means that the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate may all be assimilated with one stop shopping on the same rock site. As neat and tidy as this may sound, biological filtration is redundant as you have more than enough surface area for beneficial nitrifying & denitrifying bacteria on the rock and sand in the display tank. Any more rock in the system is therefore just expensive filler.

I would investigate more fruitful ways of using the resources you are using with the wet/dry filter box. If you have the water flow through a drip tray and just rain in the box, it will help with gas exchange thus stripping Co2, and nitrogen gas while adding oxygen. It will also cause evaporative cooling which will take some pressure off of your chillers.

You haven't disclosed your full filtration plan yet, but perhaps there are other technologies like refugia that would work in the wet/dry space. I can't knock ATM for including a wet/dry filter in their design as they traditionally set-up tanks with artificial fiberglass & latex rock structures that offer virtually no viable sites for beneficial nitrifying bacteria. In these cases, the wet/dry filter is essential, but in your case it is redundant (some would say detrimental).

The principals are very simple here. You just need to stand back and decide what you are trying to accomplish then decide how to get there efficiently. Reverse engineering devices without looking at how they all fit together will only cause you more sleepless nights :)



Just remember how heavy the rock is and how hard it is to replicate what you have created even carrying it a few feet. Do a test before you invest too much time in the process.

Sponges shouldn't come out of water, but personally I wouldn't go through the extra steps of moving them in water as they will inevitably be in the air at some point in the process. Brief exposure to air is not a problem for bacteria and algae.



I may be out of reach on that one. While I've used a number of controllers over the years, I'm not a programming genius like a lot of these IT guys who are on RC all day while they are at work :) The Profilux controller is very popular and simple enough to use, but the box looks like tv converter from the 80's and is hard to mount. The connectivity is a little outdated as well. It's a German product with some info lost in translation. Someone on another forum wiped out his tank by misunderstanding the pump shut-off sequence.

The Aqua Digital Reefkeeper V2 is more compact, easier to program and has more modern connectivity. Elite http://www.digitalaquatics.com/ I like that it has a user friendly, intuitive iphone interface. I assume it has a blackberry application as well. Do some research and figure out what you what to control and where your fail-safes and redundancies will be.

In addition to the main controller interface there are modules that control specific parameters like redox potential (ORP) and PH etc. Aqua Digital offers PH, salinity and temperature all in one module which cuts down on clutter. You should have one PH module for controlling a calcium reactor if you are planning to have one, and a second PH module to monitor the system water. This is a good way of checking night Ph drops due to coral photosynthetic respiration at night as well as elevated Co2 levels during parties. The PH can also climb if you are dosing too much kalkwasser (calcium hydroxide) or other KH or calcium buffers. You can employ the controller to make necessary adjustments (raise PH with kalkwasser or sodium carbonate, or lower PH with Co2 or sodium bicarbonate) to rectify PH shifts.

Top-off for evaporation is a science in itself. Use as many fail-safes as possible. I use an electronic float switch (mercury/reed switch) and solenoid to govern a peristaltic metering pump to add an appropriate amount of water as it evaporates from the lowest (end) point in your sump. The metering pump assures that even if the system goes haywire, the pump can only deliver a finite amount of water (usually 8GPD depending on the pump model). Drawing top-off water from a 50 gallon drum that is filled, then allowed to slowly get used up over a few weeks is another way of assuring that your top-up freshwater is a finite quantity that would not adversely affect salinity or temperature even in the event of failure. It's also a good idea to use a secondary mechanical float valve (not switch) as an absolute safety. This can be positioned above the operating water level in the sump where the top-off water enters the system. If the water level in the sump is too high, then the mechanical float valve stops the dosing pump from sending more water. This safety feature comes in handy if and when the electronic float switch jams in the on position. You should also include a second electronic float switch that is set for a high level in the sump so it can shut off the dosing pump and send a warning email or text. Hopefully you already have an emergency overflow drain line in your sump that goes to a floor drain.

Of course the controller logs and graphs all the collected info so you can keep track of it on your computer. This is where you really need an IT guy :)

This is all great stuff. I need some time to digest it.

The reason for pre-sculpting the rock formation is to avoid and or reduce the potential for damage to the acrylic in the tank. I do have the elevator to take the pieces down to the display tank on a dolly so this means that I can build the primary elements under water, let them harden then move them down in stages.

Lots more later as I have an 8am tee time so I'm going to try and get some sleep first.

Peter
 
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Thank you Chingchai. I will see if I can source this locally. If not I will pm you.

By the way, would you ask your countrymen to settle down. You can tell them that if I have to come over there to bring order they will be very very sorry. :furious:

Peter

Please come over soonest. We need your help.
 
The reason for pre-sculpting the rock formation is to avoid and or reduce the potential for damage to the acrylic in the tank. I do have the elevator to take the pieces down to the display tank on a dolly so this means that I can build the primary elements under water, let them harden then move them down in stages.

Peter

I have three elevators but I still find it easier to build on site. Like I said before, try it with a few pieces before you spend all day and potentially paint yourself into a corner.

I use a sheet of cardboard against the inside of the tank to protect the acrylic from rock dings. If you use smaller pieces of cardboard they are easy to move out of the way to inspect your arrangement.

My last piece of advice is to make sure you don't build up the suspense of the rock work too much or the pressure may become too daunting :)
 
Peter,
Great work and progress, i got a little behind in the thread. it moves so fast. In the last couple pages you have have some question on LEDs, Salt and controllers.
Since LEDS have been well covered, ill focus on the other two. As for salts i think there is more of a science to them then everyone thinks. Finding a properly balanced salt really is worth the money. Here is a good thread (though it is very very long) that is worth reading if you have the time to invest,
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1287118

As for aquarium controllers, i have two the Neptune AC3 and the GHL profilux. Personally i think the neptune controller is much more user friendly and is a fantastic controller. It is significantly cheaper once you start adding all the functions together. If you ever need help writing a program, let me know. For what its worth i will be upgrading to the Neptune APEX as it has a few extra features the AC3 does not.

Also i have a few friends that have the Aquatronica and they really like it. More expensive not sure if its really worth the money as its probably the most expensive controller on the market and it isn't sold everywhere. the neptune is readily available from most online retailers.

Let me know if you ever need help
Rob
 
As long as there's a place to park the Bentley I'll be right over...........

Peter

I don't think you could fit it in the streets with the elephants :lol: I rode one once at a circus, and I wouldn't want them anywhere near my Bentley anyway, they were cleaning up after those guys with show shovels and garbage cans.


I'm very leery of change, and especially with LED technology that is not specifically designed for aquaria. I would strongly urge you to at least look into tech that is intended specifically for the application to which you are going to be putting it. I read a while back that you said it was designed for outdoor use, but that probably speaks to it's safety in a damp environment, and has nothing to do with it's ability to drive the photosynthetic cycle. While "bright" is good, what we are all chasing in reef tanks is more than just that, and has a lot to do with spectrum emission. The ecological, and economical advantages of long-term use of LED lighting are tremendous, but I prefer to allow other people to be the guinea pigs for these types of advances. As research and development becomes more mainstream, not only will you be getting a product that is better suited to serving your needs due to continued development and modification, but at a significantly reduced cost from what it would take today. Obviously, your items have already been purchased, so this may be too late in coming, but if it were me setting up this tank, I would use proven technology (i.e. MH or T-5, and I'm with Mr. Wilson, I greatly prefer the presentation of halides, and wouldn't dream of using T-5's unless backed into a corner) for a few years, but design it in such a way so as to allow for the upgrade to the "future" when we actually arrive there.

This tank represents a significant expenditure of time and resources, and stocking it will not be the least of these expenditures. I'd hate to see you take an experimental approach, only to learn via a catastrophic failure of the system that your technology is not viable for your specific application.
 
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Hopefully you got the round in before the siren went off, we got called off twice today.

We couldn't hear the horn over the sound of the thunder:bigeyes: ....

We were interrupted for 20 mins for rain and that's was it. All in all a good day.

Peter
 
That was alot of reading !! Amazing tho :D great job !:celeb1:

Thank you direct reef. For your effort, let me offer you a warm welcome to our community. Next week is a busy action packed set of activities leading I hope to some real traction for this build.

Peter
 
I don't think you could fit it in the streets with the elephants :lol: I rode one once at a circus, and I wouldn't want them anywhere near my Bentley anyway, they were cleaning up after those guys with show shovels and garbage cans.


I'm very leery of change, and especially with LED technology that is not specifically designed for aquaria. I would strongly urge you to at least look into tech that is intended specifically for the application to which you are going to be putting it. I read a while back that you said it was designed for outdoor use, but that probably speaks to it's safety in a damp environment, and has nothing to do with it's ability to drive the photosynthetic cycle. While "bright" is good, what we are all chasing in reef tanks is more than just that, and has a lot to do with spectrum emission. The ecological, and economical advantages of long-term use of LED lighting are tremendous, but I prefer to allow other people to be the guinea pigs for these types of advances. As research and development becomes more mainstream, not only will you be getting a product that is better suited to serving your needs due to continued development and modification, but at a significantly reduced cost from what it would take today. Obviously, your items have already been purchased, so this may be too late in coming, but if it were me setting up this tank, I would use proven technology (i.e. MH or T-5, and I'm with Mr. Wilson, I greatly prefer the presentation of halides, and wouldn't dream of using T-5's unless backed into a corner) for a few years, but design it in such a way so as to allow for the upgrade to the "future" when we actually arrive there.

This tank represents a significant expenditure of time and resources, and stocking it will not be the least of these expenditures. I'd hate to see you take an experimental approach, only to learn via a catastrophic failure of the system that your technology is not viable for your specific application.

cloakerpoked, thank you for the advice. I'm not sure how the lighting will land yet. The one thing I have gathered from the consensus in this community is that the Aquatic Life G12 HID's will not likely be sufficient. Using directional 150 watt High Intensity Discharge 10,000K lamps while providing actinic light with 420/460 nm T5 HO lamps and lunar light with adjustable LED's is too underpowered. I am in the process of looking at the various options and I can tell you that your concerns are very legitimate elements in my analysis. As I get more information in the next week I will be revisiting the discussion about lighting before making any final decisions.

Peter
 
Peter,
Great work and progress, i got a little behind in the thread. it moves so fast. In the last couple pages you have have some question on LEDs, Salt and controllers.
Since LEDS have been well covered, ill focus on the other two. As for salts i think there is more of a science to them then everyone thinks. Finding a properly balanced salt really is worth the money. Here is a good thread (though it is very very long) that is worth reading if you have the time to invest,
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1287118

As for aquarium controllers, i have two the Neptune AC3 and the GHL profilux. Personally i think the neptune controller is much more user friendly and is a fantastic controller. It is significantly cheaper once you start adding all the functions together. If you ever need help writing a program, let me know. For what its worth i will be upgrading to the Neptune APEX as it has a few extra features the AC3 does not.

Also i have a few friends that have the Aquatronica and they really like it. More expensive not sure if its really worth the money as its probably the most expensive controller on the market and it isn't sold everywhere. the neptune is readily available from most online retailers.

Let me know if you ever need help
Rob

Rob, thanks for the info, the link and the offer of help. I am going to be covering the subject of controllers in some depth and will be looking for a lot of help in that regard. I suspect that a successfull outcome will have a material impact on the operation of the entire ecosystem and add more time for enjoyment to the equation.

I appreciate the link and will give it a good read.......

Peter
 
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