mr.wilson
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It's aboot time we had a beaver report on here eh!
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It's aboot time we had a beaver report on here eh!
the funny thing about that statement is I do business all over Canada and have travelled most of this beautiful country, but never once have I heard aboot come out of someone's mouth. Never! How did this stereotype start?
We sure as hell don't say that in Ontario, Quebecor's say quoi I believe, Westerners don't say it, Newfies dont and Nova Scotians don't. Now I've never been to New Brunswick, PEI but I don't think there much different then Newfies.... and I'm not sure what the people in the freezer say, because I've never been there. Wait now that I think about it, it must be them. try making a shivering sound with your mouth while saying about...... So it must be the people up north who enjoy the ice all year.
dave.m
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I get this from Americans all the time. As far as I know, I'm saying "out and about" but they all swear they hear "oot and aboot". Must be a perceptual thing. They aren't hearing what the expect, so their ear substitutes with something similar (?).Chago09 said:
I had considered making a beaver joke, but then thought better of it. It is, after all, a family forum.mr.wilson said:
Indeed. There's nary a statement that passes by but an MP quote springs to my diseased little mind. Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha! :jester:nineball said:
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Rybren
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but never once have I heard aboot come out of someone's mouth. Never!
I've never heard anyone say it either, yet I have been accused of saying it by my American friends. It's funny, I lived in central New York for 5 years, and I was amazed at the number of locals who could pick me out as a Canadian within the first 30 seconds of a conversation. I swear I don't have an accent!
Thankfully, they didn't mistake me for a Brit, or worse yet, an Aussie! :wildone:
I've never heard anyone say it either, yet I have been accused of saying it by my American friends. It's funny, I lived in central New York for 5 years, and I was amazed at the number of locals who could pick me out as a Canadian within the first 30 seconds of a conversation. I swear I don't have an accent!
Thankfully, they didn't mistake me for a Brit, or worse yet, an Aussie! :wildone:
createyourown
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haha a 10 speed.... How many miles do you ride a day?
iluzhun
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Peter. If I may I would like to give you a little advice in this department as it has been my career of choice for 10 plus years. In the world of generators what you have purchased is a "home" setup. Home units do not come much bigger than what you have so you would have to go to a second unit. this poses some problems. Like you said now you need a bigger natural gas supply. Also now you will need to transfer switche. Also 2 units tend to be twice as noisy as 1. Another problem is these home units tend to be a gasoline unit converted to run on natural gas. This is done using a very crude fuel delivery system. This can cause starting issues in cold weather. So what is the solution you ask? What I would recomend for someone who wants to do it right the first time is to size your generator to match you service size from the utility (ie if you have a 400 amp service you want a generator that can supply 400 amps). Once this is done you should also purchase an automatic transfer switch sized the same. This is a means of disconnecting utility and connecting the generator. Yep you guessed it automatically. This should be installed so that your entire house is backed up by the generator. This not only allows you to keep the fish happy but also allows you to keep the wife happy and the neighbors jealous aswell. Now the most important part. Purchase a generator fueled by diesel fuel. This alows you to purchase fuel in an emergency at a local station and transport it to fuel the unit. During normal circumstances a service can do this. Now some people will likely say that diesel is a hassel and not worth it. To them I will say... pick any hospital and ask them what fuel their generators use and you will find that it is diesel. It is the most reliable technology for this application. If you have more questions let me know I would love to be of assistance.
Chris
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nineball
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This is yet another example of the extraordinary skill and experience in this thread. Thank you Chris. I am in complete agreement with you except for maybe the diesel part but I won't rule it out. :reading:
I have been contacted by a member of this group who is in this field locally and I will be getting the kind of advice along the lines you have been suggesting. I did not properly calculate the load factor at the outset so I guess I am going from the principle of plan twice, cut once, to plan once cut twice.
In practical terms your advice could not be any better and should be a critical stop on any plan to deal with power disaster, backup and recovery concerns. My case is a perfect example why skipping a step can cost a great deal more in the long run.
Lesson for us all I think.
Peter
nineball
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I'm surprised you caught that Mr. Wilson. Normally this observation would come from an Aussie. They are experts in mutant control.:bounce2::bounce1::bounce2:
Peter
nineball
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+1 :thumbsup:
nineball
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Careful Rybren, these guys can see you in your sleep!!!!The only thing worse than an annoyed Aussie is .......you guessed it two annoyed Aussies. :mad2::mad2: :bigeyes:
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mr.wilson
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I did not properly calculate the load factor at the outset so I guess I am going from the principle of plan twice, cut once, to plan once cut twice.
Peter
I usually cut three times and it's still too short
iluzhun
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I would typically agree with you except for this particular unit. They use a briggs and straton engine that is air cooled and is very susceptible to temp changes. I have installed one of these units in a very mild setting (temps from 35-100 F) and every season I have to make changes and it is still hit and miss. You can not put glow plugs inthese engines. I have tried a space heater in the enclosure but still have problems. A larger natural gas unit will have a more complex fuel delivery system as well as being liquid cooled alowing the use of a coolant heater. But with a larger natural gas engine you need a larger fuel supply. This same fuel supply could be compromised in a major emergency. So diesel and natural gas both have their pluses and minuses
Poeticlydead
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Ok being that I have dealt with the Generac generators I'll make mention that if you are using the generator in a cold climate Generac makes a heater specifically for this unit that must be field installed.
If you don't mind what all are you trying to run on the generator?
I don't normally suggest the just buy a bigger unit routine my self since it is often not cost effective unless your having very regular power outages, rather I would suggest you add up the starting and running draw of all applinaces you want to handle with the unit in an emergency then size for this plus maybe 10% for a cushion. If you size for just what you want to power in an outage you should look into a load shed system this will automatically send power what you want and cut the circuit to everything else untill main utility power is restored.
17kw is a decent sized generator but judging by the size of your home (in the pics) I would say our only option to make it work would be to load shed so that you power your aquarium system, possibly the furnace blower and few other essentials. If you are one who simply must be able to power the whole home at will then I would agree with the above - scrap the idea of two units, sell the one you have and buy a larger system for the home.
I also don't normally do diesel units for a residence do to the fuel handling and storing. Many companies actually make dedicated large capacity natural gas generators these days. (In fact Generac has some as well as the other major brands. Take your time do some digging and shop the products before buying a large generator though as other has eluded they are not all made equally even inside a single brand.)
If you don't mind what all are you trying to run on the generator?
I don't normally suggest the just buy a bigger unit routine my self since it is often not cost effective unless your having very regular power outages, rather I would suggest you add up the starting and running draw of all applinaces you want to handle with the unit in an emergency then size for this plus maybe 10% for a cushion. If you size for just what you want to power in an outage you should look into a load shed system this will automatically send power what you want and cut the circuit to everything else untill main utility power is restored.
17kw is a decent sized generator but judging by the size of your home (in the pics) I would say our only option to make it work would be to load shed so that you power your aquarium system, possibly the furnace blower and few other essentials. If you are one who simply must be able to power the whole home at will then I would agree with the above - scrap the idea of two units, sell the one you have and buy a larger system for the home.
I also don't normally do diesel units for a residence do to the fuel handling and storing. Many companies actually make dedicated large capacity natural gas generators these days. (In fact Generac has some as well as the other major brands. Take your time do some digging and shop the products before buying a large generator though as other has eluded they are not all made equally even inside a single brand.)
nineball
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iluzhun, I'm not sure what you mean by the natural gas supply. Its always available even with a complete loss of power. You may remember when the eastern half of North America went dark for four days in many places. We didn't lose natural gas. If the pipeline delivery system was compromised we would probably still have electrical power on the grid. But lets assume that we did lose both at the same time. I can still switch to LP if it made sense and it was necessary.
Also don't forget, I can always run an extension cord to the Bentley!!!!!!!:dance:
Peter
nineball
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The 17Kw Generac does not have sufficient muscle to run all the aquarium systems. None of the 3 electricians on site could rework the math to make it all fit. Even though the worst powerfail in recent memory was the four day formentioned blackout there are times each day where it all has to be on if we ever had a repeat. I would like if possible to have some coverage for the basics in the house as someone pointed out for the wife factor. I'll forgo the home theater and save 100 amps but my wife's hair dryer is non negotiable.
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