Coral Tank from Canada (1350gal Display Tank)

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Greetings Peter,

I have been following this thread from the start with great enthusiasm and enjoyment especially with Mr. Wilsons excellent inputs.

I have been giving some thought recently though to your plumbing setup, not in regards to your closed loop setup as I know that has been dealt with.

It is more to do with how your intending on tieing in the "mars bars" system, sump, main display, external refugium etc. in such a way that the water will be functionally turning over adequately throughout all of the systems so that you will be efficiently removing waste via your mechanical filtration.

I personally have run multiple systems together as a co-existing setup but have always noted at one time or another that certain aquariums in this layout run better than others.

Also curious as to your goals in regards to aquarium turnover for the main display as well as the mars bars, refugium etc....

Thanks,

Patrick
 
I read this to my wife Mr. Wilson and she is out scouring the planet for Mangrove plants.............and cork it is.........and now she is designing a water fountain that will no longer allow any room for fish stuff!!!!!!!!!

Thannk you very much!!:frog:

Peter

Pete,
I was collecting wines corks last year as i was going to make cork boards as wedding gifts for our guests. I couldn't collect enough in time so i have like 3500 to 4000 corks i may not be using?

Perhaps we can make a deal.. like a tour maybe??:bounce1:

Rob
 
Pete,
I was collecting wines corks last year as i was going to make cork boards as wedding gifts for our guests. I couldn't collect enough in time so i have like 3500 to 4000 corks i may not be using?

Perhaps we can make a deal.. like a tour maybe??:bounce1:

Rob

Don't worry Rob, when the tank is wet you'll get an invite.......:dance: untill then, hide the corks!!!:bigeyes:

Peter
 
EXCELLENT! i think we may be able to help each other out. PS did you find any mangroves? If so where did you get them?
 
I dont know if this guy can keep up with phillips but he had some great looking lights at baymac here in california. Atleast he is based on lighting for our hobby so you dont have to to reinvent the wheel. Acanlighting (google is your friend)
 
great job peter!

i've been following this whole thread from the beginning and i am learning alot. but the wife wants to know if you have a swimming pool or a pond to take pics of lol.

thanks in advance
George
 
Sean, here is the "bathroom" that belongs to the fish room..............

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I hope to maintain the same ambience in the fish room except with more of a CSI Miami look and feel.

Peter

The bathroom is missing something..... Its missing a Golden Toilet! :p










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You can always continue the theme :)
 

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Greetings Peter,

I have been following this thread from the start with great enthusiasm and enjoyment especially with Mr. Wilsons excellent inputs.

I have been giving some thought recently though to your plumbing setup, not in regards to your closed loop setup as I know that has been dealt with.

It is more to do with how your intending on tieing in the "mars bars" system, sump, main display, external refugium etc. in such a way that the water will be functionally turning over adequately throughout all of the systems so that you will be efficiently removing waste via your mechanical filtration.

I personally have run multiple systems together as a co-existing setup but have always noted at one time or another that certain aquariums in this layout run better than others.

Also curious as to your goals in regards to aquarium turnover for the main display as well as the mars bars, refugium etc....

Thanks,

Patrick


Patrick, The mars bars will NOT be tied directly into the main display tank or any of its supporting systems. They each have their own basic systems with chiller/ refugium/sump etc. I may augment them but I will be taking my time determining what additional equipment and measures depending on how they evolve. Although I may steal some of the display tank water for the fish mars system I will probably start and maintain the coral mars system on its own water supply from the outset. I plan to take Chingchai's lead and tailor the environment to an oyster egg rich solution with purpose adapted lights to foster healthy growth specifically for coral for one of the Mars Bars. This regime I suspect will require some special effort to deal with the inevitable consequences of a well lit, nutritionally enriched, high flow environment.......in other words there will be a lot of glass to keep clean and a different water management cycle from the main display tank. I will NOT be using a skimmer on the coral mars bar as it just doesn't make sense but I will have live rock and other methods of filtration suited to the purpose of the coral mars tank. I fully expect to be rotating coral from the display tank to this one to ensure the best display presentation is always at peak.

My philosophy is NOT to put the entire display tank at risk trying to save a single sick, damaged or unhealthy coral. For me it just doesn't make sense to risk an entire ecosystem to 'experiment' with a cure or solution. It's not that I'm financially stoopid either. I will try and remedy a problem with a hospital tank but I will not knowingly risk the hard fought stability of the main display tank with experiments especially with my lack of knowledge and experience in this domain. I am not trying to promote this philosophy folks so please give me a break here. I am just using basic common sense, I hope, to minimize the risks of catastrophic failure.

While I am on this subject of catastrophic failure I should note up front that I expect, just as in the wild, I will have a ton of stuff to deal with including some not so good stuff. That's evolution and reality creeping in. Just ask anyone living in or near the gulf today. It may change the world but it is far from the end of it. One of the cornerstones of evolution is adaptation to change. Yet I've noticed that we in this hobby do everything in our power to avoid change or disruption. Lightning, hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanoes and yes even chemical spills strike the reefs in an unbelievable regular fashion. Someday we may just learn to control those compulsions that we can do something about like off shore drilling but there will still be these natural organic disruptions that somehow, some way, the reefs will cope with. I'm going to try and make that reality part of my approach to this wonderful hobby. I guess I'm also saying that there's a bazillion things that can go wrong, as you folks have been assuring me from the beginning of this project, even before the tank gets wet. So I'm learning to accept that before the first live rock comes out of the temporary storage tanks. For me, this process carries as much value in the learning process as does the final achievement.

I'm going to get heck again for too many words and not enough pictures .................... Oh and Patrick, welcome to our group and congratulations on this being your first post!!

Peter
 
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Hello Peter,

Thanks for the prompt reply......I obviously overlooked the information earlier in your thread in regards to the plumbing layout.

About your coral mars system setup I do like your ideas of tailoring the system after ching chai's with the oyster eggs solution but I am somewhat suprised about not using a protein skimmer. I would of just assumed the positive drawbacks would far out weigh the negatives. For instance using a protein skimmer on this system you would increase the oxygen level and also provide a buffer in fluctuating bioloads from a constant in and out flux of animals.

Also with the amount of food your placing in the mars system with a protein skimmer running you could if you felt the need run a carbon source system such as zeovit, prodibio, vodka in an attempt to maintain your phosphates and nitrates at an acceptable level.

I know that your doing the grand masters theme so your going to truly have a wide diversity of sps, lps, soft corals and clams so placing the above corals in a quarantine system is a great idea to remove the possibility of hitchikers and disease. I'm just curious about how you intend to functionally run the mars system to adequately maintain especially sps during there stay in the system due to there sometimes needy requirements especially if aquiring wild or maricultured specimens.

Thank your for providing such a creative and unique project that we can all experience...it is exciting to see something of this magnitude unfold in front of us.

Patrick
 
In theory a protein skimmer can be readily replaced with numerous other filtration devices, but in practice I have found that going skimmerless leaves little room for error. Non-photosynthetic corals can tolerate more phosphates and nitrates, but if you intend on keeping SPS the skimmer is a must have, particularly if you are treating and acclimating damaged or new corals.

The nice thing about adding a protein skimmer is you can simply unplug it if you feel it isn't necessary and bring it back on line when you feel it is. If your concern is the skimmer competing with corals for food, you can have the skimmer on a timer. Many non-photosynthetic corals are night feeders as this is when plankton is abundant in the ocean.
 
great job peter!

i've been following this whole thread from the beginning and i am learning alot. but the wife wants to know if you have a swimming pool or a pond to take pics of lol.

thanks in advance
George

George, I'm afraid there's no pool and the fish pond is a small feature within one of the backyard gardens. My wife loves the sound of the waterfall at night...........she has no idea whats in store for her at the end of this so lets just keep it our secret.

Peter

For your wife...........pond in the different seasons.


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Hello Peter,

Thanks for the prompt reply......I obviously overlooked the information earlier in your thread in regards to the plumbing layout.

About your coral mars system setup I do like your ideas of tailoring the system after ching chai's with the oyster eggs solution but I am somewhat suprised about not using a protein skimmer. I would of just assumed the positive drawbacks would far out weigh the negatives. For instance using a protein skimmer on this system you would increase the oxygen level and also provide a buffer in fluctuating bioloads from a constant in and out flux of animals.

Also with the amount of food your placing in the mars system with a protein skimmer running you could if you felt the need run a carbon source system such as zeovit, prodibio, vodka in an attempt to maintain your phosphates and nitrates at an acceptable level.

I know that your doing the grand masters theme so your going to truly have a wide diversity of sps, lps, soft corals and clams so placing the above corals in a quarantine system is a great idea to remove the possibility of hitchikers and disease. I'm just curious about how you intend to functionally run the mars system to adequately maintain especially sps during there stay in the system due to there sometimes needy requirements especially if aquiring wild or maricultured specimens.

Thank your for providing such a creative and unique project that we can all experience...it is exciting to see something of this magnitude unfold in front of us.

Patrick

In theory a protein skimmer can be readily replaced with numerous other filtration devices, but in practice I have found that going skimmerless leaves little room for error. Non-photosynthetic corals can tolerate more phosphates and nitrates, but if you intend on keeping SPS the skimmer is a must have, particularly if you are treating and acclimating damaged or new corals.

The nice thing about adding a protein skimmer is you can simply unplug it if you feel it isn't necessary and bring it back on line when you feel it is. If your concern is the skimmer competing with corals for food, you can have the skimmer on a timer. Many non-photosynthetic corals are night feeders as this is when plankton is abundant in the ocean.

Patrick, Sean. Sean you are right(again!!!!), I was concerned that the skimmer would defeat the 'stuff' in solution of benefit to the coral. This is obviously something I can fix here and now.......The skimmer is back in :wavehand::wavehand::dance: .......now, not really right now, but when the time comes I will be looking for advice on how NOT to have the skimmer defeat the benefits floating around the mars environment.

Thanks guys, there's certainly no sleep to be had in this thread!!!!! but I do have to eat soooooooooooo...........:wavehand:

Peter
 
Peter,

Normally I don't post on build threads as my limited experience pales in comparison to most of the members around here. However, one interesting occurrence seems to consistently present itself with this thread. As you post pictures as graphic and roughed in as you may think they are, these pictures tend to lend the most insight into your build. I shutter at missing the opportunity to see the plumbing behind the walls even if it just straight pipe.

A picture is worth a thousand words and has typically sparked may good dialogs here. I use your air return over the tank as the example, numerous comments and suggestions and what ifs were presented with such a simple picture of metal fastened to a ceiling. Plus everyone loves pictures.

I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your thread and I am proud that Canada has been marked on the international reef forum scene by your build. I was redirected to your thread, initially, while following a large build in the UAE as someone suggested to read your thread as a reference point. Pretty cool.

PS. Thank God, its finally time for the 3 and half weeks of summer to begin! LOL!

Take care.
 
Hello Peter,

Just been reading through all of the new products being released this year at InterZoo 2010 and noticed these "little powerheads" from Tunze and thought you might enjoy taking a glance at them.

Thanks to the people from Reef******** for reporting on all these new and exciting products!

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Patrick
 
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