Coralline Turning WHITE

[SWINGRRRR]

I am by no means an expert, or even any kind of opinion, but in my opinion "Base Rock" should be used as something that has never touched tank water. Something like, DIY rock or old, old dead coral skeleton that the sell at the LFS in the dry bins.
"Dead LR" is removed/dried LR. All the bodies are such are still in it. When it gets wet again, the rehydrate and begin to break down.

I think you both have valid arguments, but something is lost in the translations.

 

[downhillbiker]

I agree...something is lost in translations, that is why i said we need to update the terms. they need to properly publish the terms and what they mean so people dont get confused and have major problems.

 

[demonsp]

I feel just fine telling others that base rock is fine to add to your already cycled tank.

Dead rock means no life , LR means theres life. Dead LR means all the life is dead and alive.

I didnt come for here for advice you did, and the advice i gave isnt just my experiance or my opinon , its truth and from many hours in here and researching and practicing.

If the rock was in your friends garage for a yr and then you power sprayed it would be impossible for this rock to cause any cycle. either your friend mis informed you or your fooling me. Now im being polite and only trying to help you so be cool.
I must ask that you open a new thread on this Dead LR subject to get other responses then mine as this thread so long many wont read it all to help.

 

[downhillbiker]

nope. it's just your opinion. if it was the truth, then it wouldn't have cycled in my experience.

i will open a new thread to spark some discussion.

 

[demonsp]

Like i said. Never take one persons opinon.
Your right though , dead LR shouldnt cause a cycle unless is wasnt dead. If it caused a cycle then there was life and it didnt sit in your friends gargae for 1 yr. Its one or the other.

 

[downhillbiker]

it was dead, i remember when he traded off the rest of the fish tank for a tatoo and it has been over a year.

i am saying that it is dead rock, and did cycle. i dont think the cycle was from die off, i think it was from remnant "life" and then when it was re-hydrated it began to decay.

 

[downhillbiker]

basically it got turned into beef jerky when the rock was dried out, but none the less it still had the same amount of substance there, just missing some water.

mmmm....jerky break

 

[waif]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12422784#post12422784 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by downhillbiker
i pressure washed each piece with a commercial high pressure washer with a burner on it and scrubbed the rock, so it was clean, but still had the cycle.

i am not saying it had a cycle due to die off, the dead stuff was still there.

dead LR does make sense. i mean it just simply means that the rock was live but now is dead, and contains things that are harmful.

just do me a favor and dont advise anybody to put "dead" LR directly into their tank. If i had listened to you my tank would have crashed and I would have lost all of my sps, and lps corals, and possibly my anemones and polyps.

Dead live rock.....snicker

 

[m2434]

FWIW, you guy's are arguing over marketing terms :lol: Some vendors market dead live rock as "base rock", some market never live rock as"base rock".... Essentially anything not marketable as "live rock" gets tossed into this bin.

As to the coraline, white=dead. Ijust had a big patch on my back glass turn white and die. It dissapeared compleatly within days, but all the other coraline was fine. The cause, I shifted my MH, approx, 1 inch! Coraline can be very sensitive, in fact, I'd say more so than my acroporas in the same tank
:eek1:

 

[silverking]

i think most of what demonsp is saying is nonsense. i wouldn't take his advise at all.
I got a hundred pounds of as you call "dead live rock" in bins of water right now that has been washed scrubbed and washed and is still reading ammonia of 8
if that was just washed and went right into tank there would be big problems

 

[Longchamp]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12423197#post12423197 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by silverking
i think most of what demonsp is saying is nonsense. i wouldn't take his advise at all.
I got a hundred pounds of as you call "dead live rock" in bins of water right now that has been washed scrubbed and washed and is still reading ammonia of 8
if that was just washed and went right into tank there would be big problems

Im in almost the exact same situation as you

ignore demonsp. There is a huge difference between clean base rock and LR that sat in a garage and dried out. All that organic matter is still there which caused the cycle.

 

[mikeshook]

Agreed as above. I would look at light intensity. Also, there are many species of Coralline that thrive at different light levels. I find that if I twist a rock over...the underside is a deep purple and the top side is more of a pink. If left flipped, the newly exposed top side will bleach out and be replaced by the brighter pinker coralline...

 

[downhillbiker]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12423560#post12423560 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Longchamp
Im in almost the exact same situation as you

ignore demonsp. There is a huge difference between clean base rock and LR that sat in a garage and dried out. All that organic matter is still there which caused the cycle.

i am in the same boat as both of you. i told him that his advise would have crashed my tank and asked him to do me a favor and not give that bad advise again, and he said that he would still give the same advise, and that there is no difference in base rock and dead rock. apparently he has no respect for others in this hobby if he is giving out advise that will crash tanks, and will still do so after he knows it will cycle.

 

[downhillbiker]

As far as the coralline i think that my issue is just a little bit of light shock. the coralline just went from CF to MH light and it will probably take some adjusting, but I'm sure it will be fine.

 

[Peter Eichler]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12425210#post12425210 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by downhillbiker
As far as the coralline i think that my issue is just a little bit of light shock. the coralline just went from CF to MH light and it will probably take some adjusting, but I'm sure it will be fine.

Coralline will bleach and die rather quickly when light intensity changes. Sometimes just replacing a bulb will cause this. Also, the coralline you saw growing was not "rehydrated" coralline that started to grow, it came from another source. Coralline will grow in a fish only tank that has never had a live rock or coral to seed it.

Also, the term base rock has been around for a LONG time and was most commonly used to refer to less attractive live rock that didn't have much visible life. Basically, base rock is less attarctive cheaper rock (dead or live). Lastly, you made a good call on cycling it, even some of the commercially available rocks that appear bleached and void of life can cause a cycle.