Cracked For Life...!!! Help

^ and ^^........i was going to use a car metaphor too :P..........Just use his own words against him:

"What does that mean? Simply this: We stand behind our product 100 percent."
 
Do you have any BB guns in the house?
Not saying you did it. But I wonder if a BB gun would do that kind of damage. Have you looked at the outside of the acrylic with a magnifying glass. Look for small dents, invisible to the naked eye.
 
I would start posting you experience in every online aquarium forum I could find. You might luck out and find a reefing lawyer that would take the case for you but thats a lonshot.
 
Advance Aqua Tanks offers a Lifetime Warranty on all our ClearforLifeâ"žÂ¢ aquariums. What does that mean? Simply this: We stand behind our product 100 percent. Our continuing goal is to manufacture the finest acrylic aquariums and systems available. We support that quality with value and service.

.....

In order to give our customers the best value, we also provide exemplary service, from initial workmanship to ongoing customer support. Foremost, all our ClearforLifeâ"žÂ¢ aquariums come with a Lifetime Warranty against leakage. We also offer a wide variety of tanks you can choose from several standard and specialty styles and sizes, and we build custom tanks. In order to satisfy our customers' demands, we offer an extensive line of highquality aquarium accessories, such as filtration systems, lighting fixtures and stands.
What a joke. They stand behind the product 100%......only if it leaks??
 
How about the fact that they call the thing "Clear for Life"?!? Aren't they warranting something right there? Or even the basic facts that aquariums aren't supposed to crack (you buy them so you can look at what's inside). You have these guys eight ways till Tuesday if you want them....
 
First of all send them a certified letter with your complaint and their warranty info. Give them a date to contact you with a solution in writing only (30 days is good). If they call do not answer the phone (unless he says he is making you a new tank on the message). Phone calls are fine at first but when it comes to this point you need to set yourself up for legal action. Once the date comes and goes file a small claims court suit against them in your county (assuming they conducted business with you in your county). Either way I would still just file in your county. It is very easy to do.

9 times out of 10 they will come to a solution prior to the court date once they know your serious.

Document everything. The more pictures, bills, warranty info, dates/timelines you have the stronger your case will be if it comes to that.

I have dealt with many reluctant warranty issues and have come to an agreement on every one of them once they found out I was serious and began to collect documentation on their inaction.

Good luck!
 
I deal with a lot of acrylic tanks and I have seen a lot of stress cracks and crazing that was caused by cleaning the tanks with improper materials such as alchohol or glass cleaner, or even on occasion misapplication of an acrylic cleaning product such as novus #1. I do not know of a single manufacturer that warranties against stress cracks or crazing. Assuming that good quality acrylic was used in the tanks construction I do not see how a manufacturing error could cause the kind of damage that your tank has suffered.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9482019#post9482019 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pyrrhus
I deal with a lot of acrylic tanks and I have seen a lot of stress cracks and crazing that was caused by cleaning the tanks with improper materials such as alchohol or glass cleaner, or even on occasion misapplication of an acrylic cleaning product such as novus #1. I do not know of a single manufacturer that warranties against stress cracks or crazing. Assuming that good quality acrylic was used in the tanks construction I do not see how a manufacturing error could cause the kind of damage that your tank has suffered.

ok cool. say i used achohol glass cleaner or gas. how does the tank crack from the inside. the crack is from the inside and has not split competely thru. all 7 cracks are from the INSIDE. Its not the mfg error its mine for buying a clearforlife.

i have many acrylic tanks and have a few with stress cracks on the outside. i have them buffed out. these are inside.:rolleyes:
 
If you can buff stress cracks out of acrylic you are obviously light years ahead of me in acrylic care. :rolleyes: I'll bow out.
 
found this online

NOW THAT...
IS FALSE ADVERTISING...


-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Baker <jerry at bakerweb_biz>
Sent: Sep 29, 2005 12:50 PM
To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
Subject: Re: [APD] Clear for Life Aquarium Problem

Bob Crosby wrote:
> OK, maybe I'm just a bit dense here, but after following this thread since
> its beginning and looking at www.clearforlife.com, they say the following:
> "Advance Aqua Tanks offers a Lifetime Warranty on all our ClearforLifeT
> aquariums. What does that mean? Simply this: We stand behind our product 100
> percent."
>
> Apparently "stand behind" means something entirely different to them than a
> rational person's interpretation, given their refusal to do anything about
> the situation.

Their warranty is very clear once you get a copy of it with your tank.
They warrant the tank against leakage and nothing else. If it does leak,
you have to pay the freight charges to ship it to them.

It has been frustrating and that's why I have posted the story. I'm sure
9 out of 10 times someone buys a tank from them it will be fine, but I
wanted people to be aware of what will happen if you do have a problem.
 
Maybe we should give them the nickname "steer clear for Life" I once had this custom crankshaft for a VW. When It came time for a rebuild I noticed a line on on of the journals, so I had it magnafluxed. Sure enough it was a crack. So I called the manufacture of the crankshaft, and there reply was "is it broken in half" and I said no I got lucky and caught it before it did. And they replyed that if it is not broken in half, it is not broken. How do you argue with that mentality. Nowadays we have the internet and forums like this to spred the "word":D But let us not forget to also post positive results with complaints, because that is the biggest weapon we have, to "support the good guy's"
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9498813#post9498813 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mduvall219
found this online

NOW THAT...
IS FALSE ADVERTISING...


-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Baker <jerry at bakerweb_biz>
Sent: Sep 29, 2005 12:50 PM
To: aquatic plants digest <aquatic-plants at actwin_com>
Subject: Re: [APD] Clear for Life Aquarium Problem

Bob Crosby wrote:
> OK, maybe I'm just a bit dense here, but after following this thread since
> its beginning and looking at www.clearforlife.com, they say the following:
> "Advance Aqua Tanks offers a Lifetime Warranty on all our ClearforLifeT
> aquariums. What does that mean? Simply this: We stand behind our product 100
> percent."
>
> Apparently "stand behind" means something entirely different to them than a
> rational person's interpretation, given their refusal to do anything about
> the situation.

Their warranty is very clear once you get a copy of it with your tank.
They warrant the tank against leakage and nothing else. If it does leak,
you have to pay the freight charges to ship it to them.

It has been frustrating and that's why I have posted the story. I'm sure
9 out of 10 times someone buys a tank from them it will be fine, but I
wanted people to be aware of what will happen if you do have a problem.

DAMN IT THIS IS WHATS HAPPENING TO ME :(
 
After seeing this come up on several aquarium forums, we at Advance Aqua Tanks should have the ability to tell our side of the story.

We stand behind our products 100%, but as with any Warranty issue, certain procedures and guidelines must be followed. We have all had to deal with warranties, and this is no exception.

Per our warranty, we require an original Proof of Purchase/Receipt. None was ever provided. This is important because without it, we can’t be assured that this issue arose while in this particular customer’s care.

We also require a standard Warranty Card (provided with the aquarium) to be filled out and returned for our records within 10 days of original purchase. This way we can verify the original purchaser, and purchase date. None was ever provided.

Most importantly, the images taken specifically to highlight these ‘star fractures’, provide, in our opinion, a misleading depiction of the aquarium as a whole. This aquarium is in poor condition, and shows signs of years of abuse and misuse. Several modifications have been made to the top, with improper tooling. Looking at the aquarium as a whole (not just close-ups), its pretty easy to determine how well this aquarium has been taken care of.

In over 20 years, and thousands of aquariums manufactured, we have seen these ‘star fractures’ dozens of times. Not once have we ever seen them cause by anything other than an impact. The likelihood of 7 separate fractures occurring on 3 separate panels on one aquarium is astronomically low. Also, because of the size of this aquarium, these 3 panels could not have been made from 1 single sheet of acrylic. So a defect in the acrylic panel itself should not apply, as the problem has occurred on 2 separate sheets.

Judging by the overall condition of this aquarium, and the extremely low likelihood of 1 fracture occurring spontaneously, let alone 7, we do not think it is unreasonable to assume this was caused by anything other than the misuse by its owner.

But, we don’t stop there.

We have offered to remove a small section of the top and have it analyzed, at our expense to determine the exact nature of the failure. This would not affect the structural integrity of the aquarium. The customer has refused to allow us to do this.

We have offered to replace the end panel, and provide the customer with a separate sample of the defect to have it analyzed independently. Also, at our cost. This has been refused as well.

This customer has stated that he wants a new aquarium, and that is all. Judging by the current condition of the aquarium in question, we cannot do this without further investigation. Again, we have not been allowed this opportunity.

Most of us have had to deal with warranty issues at least once in our lives. Probably the most common issue we have to deal with is with our vehicles. Imagine your engine in your car goes out, and it is covered under warranty. The normal procedure it to take your car to the local dealership, have their technicians diagnose it and find the source of the problem. If they say it is not a warranty related issue, you have the option of taking it to your technicians and have it analyzed. If your mechanic believes it to be a manufacturing defect, you present that to your dealership.

Can you imagine sending digital images of your car to your dealership, and demanding a brand new car? This is the position we have been put in.

Honestly, we want to find the true cause of the problem this customer is experiencing. We are aquarium people, and this is our business. But we feel we are being cast in a negative light, merely because we are following normal procedures to find the true cause of the problem.

We hope everyone reading this can approach this situation fairly, and we hope our customers will let us come to a conclusion that is fair to both parties involved.

Thank you for your time.

Best Regards,
Advance Aqua Tanks
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9538132#post9538132 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AdvanceAquaTank
After seeing this come up on several aquarium forums, we at Advance Aqua Tanks should have the ability to tell our side of the story.

We stand behind our products 100%, but as with any Warranty issue, certain procedures and guidelines must be followed. We have all had to deal with warranties, and this is no exception.

Per our warranty, we require an original Proof of Purchase/Receipt. None was ever provided. This is important because without it, we can’t be assured that this issue arose while in this particular customer’s care.

We also require a standard Warranty Card (provided with the aquarium) to be filled out and returned for our records within 10 days of original purchase. This way we can verify the original purchaser, and purchase date. None was ever provided.

Most importantly, the images taken specifically to highlight these ‘star fractures’, provide, in our opinion, a misleading depiction of the aquarium as a whole. This aquarium is in poor condition, and shows signs of years of abuse and misuse. Several modifications have been made to the top, with improper tooling. Looking at the aquarium as a whole (not just close-ups), its pretty easy to determine how well this aquarium has been taken care of.

In over 20 years, and thousands of aquariums manufactured, we have seen these ‘star fractures’ dozens of times. Not once have we ever seen them cause by anything other than an impact. The likelihood of 7 separate fractures occurring on 3 separate panels on one aquarium is astronomically low. Also, because of the size of this aquarium, these 3 panels could not have been made from 1 single sheet of acrylic. So a defect in the acrylic panel itself should not apply, as the problem has occurred on 2 separate sheets.

Judging by the overall condition of this aquarium, and the extremely low likelihood of 1 fracture occurring spontaneously, let alone 7, we do not think it is unreasonable to assume this was caused by anything other than the misuse by its owner.

But, we don’t stop there.

We have offered to remove a small section of the top and have it analyzed, at our expense to determine the exact nature of the failure. This would not affect the structural integrity of the aquarium. The customer has refused to allow us to do this.

We have offered to replace the end panel, and provide the customer with a separate sample of the defect to have it analyzed independently. Also, at our cost. This has been refused as well.

This customer has stated that he wants a new aquarium, and that is all. Judging by the current condition of the aquarium in question, we cannot do this without further investigation. Again, we have not been allowed this opportunity.

Most of us have had to deal with warranty issues at least once in our lives. Probably the most common issue we have to deal with is with our vehicles. Imagine your engine in your car goes out, and it is covered under warranty. The normal procedure it to take your car to the local dealership, have their technicians diagnose it and find the source of the problem. If they say it is not a warranty related issue, you have the option of taking it to your technicians and have it analyzed. If your mechanic believes it to be a manufacturing defect, you present that to your dealership.

Can you imagine sending digital images of your car to your dealership, and demanding a brand new car? This is the position we have been put in.

Honestly, we want to find the true cause of the problem this customer is experiencing. We are aquarium people, and this is our business. But we feel we are being cast in a negative light, merely because we are following normal procedures to find the true cause of the problem.

We hope everyone reading this can approach this situation fairly, and we hope our customers will let us come to a conclusion that is fair to both parties involved.

Thank you for your time.

Best Regards,
Advance Aqua Tanks

You did not mention if the tank in question was brought to your location for inspection. If this was the case then it should have stayed at your location for analsys. This being said I believe you need to revise your warranty. If you are going to publicly state you stand behind your tanks 100% and have a lifetime warranty you better be ready for the court room. This statement in itself is enough to force a replacment since you do not mention limited lifetime warranty.

Lifetime means the usable life of the item. I would tend to think that an acrylic tanks usable lifetime would be 20-30 years. I also believe you need to state in the warranty that you need certian items to place a warranty claim. In the best case for you I believe that a judge would find that there is not any exclusions on materials and you would end up paying a prorated amount back to the plantiff.

I would suggest 2 things

First: Hire an attorney to review your warranty and include some of the above items.

Second: This is costing you business. I do not know how much these tanks cost to make. I am imagining that the loss of business is going to cost more than your cost of materials for one tank.
 
I would imagine that this is the part of the message that we should be interested in.

We also require a standard Warranty Card (provided with the aquarium) to be filled out and returned for our records within 10 days of original purchase. This way we can verify the original purchaser, and purchase date. None was ever provided.

Most importantly, the images taken specifically to highlight these ‘star fractures’, provide, in our opinion, a misleading depiction of the aquarium as a whole. This aquarium is in poor condition, and shows signs of years of abuse and misuse. Several modifications have been made to the top, with improper tooling. Looking at the aquarium as a whole (not just close-ups), its pretty easy to determine how well this aquarium has been taken care of.
 
I have a few basic thoughts here.

1) Proof of purchase: This can be argued either way, but in MOST cases is used to deny warranty claims and returns on items that should obviously be covered. In other words in most cases it is used as a tool deny claims, NOT Prevent fraud. I would hope that this is not the case here (though it appears to be).

2) We also require a standard Warranty Card (provided with the aquarium) to be filled out and returned for our records within 10 days of original purchase. This way we can verify the original purchaser, and purchase date. None was ever provided. You may want to look into warranty law my friends. Users (customers) are NOT required to send in ANY information to activate a warranty or receive warranty coverage. You can certainly offer additional services for registered users, but you CAN NOT tie your warranty to those registrations. In addition, you must clearly state the terms of the warranty (I.E. transference) and if you do not, then in most cases the CUSTOMER gets the benefit of the doubt. The law is fairly clear, even though many companies abuse the law and are not taken to task for it. You want us to beleive that this guy is trying to defraud you. You have painted the picture that he was NOT the original owner and that he has abused the tank. Yet, these are both assumptions on your part and certainly not warranty provisions (at least from what I have read).

3) Several modifications have been made to the top, with improper tooling. This has NOTHING to do with the warranty or the cracks. Instead it is a simple tactic to divert the subject away from the problem. Please show us how the CUSTOMERS modifications are the CAUSE of the cracks.

We have offered to remove a small section of the top and have it analyzed, at our expense to determine the exact nature of the failure. This would not affect the structural integrity of the aquarium. You want to remove a section of the tank, but have just also said that the end user modified the tank (and insinuated that the cracks are due to the customers modifications). It would appear that you can not have both. Of course some modifications are safe and others are not. The point is you have raised an issue and then somewhat contradicted yourself. Please show US how the customers modifications have caused those cracks and please explain how the CUSTOMER is to modify the tank to get your sample? Will you send him the "proper tooling"? Will you send out a technician?

4) You mentioned (at least twice) how all of us have had to go through this process. Yes, we have! Most of us are tired of arguing with folks who hide behind fine print and ambiguous language.

Should you pay for frivolous claims? Of course not. But this does not appear to be frivolous, instead it appears that you guys have a sparkly warranty that in reality it is fairly useless. It also appears that the basic premise is to blame the user and the component vendors instead of honoring the big sparkly talk that gives users comfort in buying your product.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9538132#post9538132 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AdvanceAquaTank
....In over 20 years, and thousands of aquariums manufactured, we have seen these ‘star fractures’ dozens of times. Not once have we ever seen them cause by anything other than an impact. The likelihood of 7 separate fractures occurring on 3 separate panels on one aquarium is astronomically low. Also, because of the size of this aquarium, these 3 panels could not have been made from 1 single sheet of acrylic. So a defect in the acrylic panel itself should not apply, as the problem has occurred on 2 separate sheets.

Well, on the flip side of that argument, the one thing I discovered when I worked in the manufacturing industry was that when an inherent defect in raw material was discovered, it was usually found to repeat several time throughout the production run and wasn't necessarily isolated to just one unit in the lot.

Brett
 
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