Cracked For Life...!!! Help

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9540388#post9540388 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Putawaywet
Well, on the flip side of that argument, the one thing I discovered when i worked in the manufacturing industry was that when an inherrent defect in raw material was discovered, it was usually found to repeat numerous time throughout the lot that was produced and wasn't necessiarilyisolated to just one unit out of all the others in the run.

Brett

Exactly... of course more than a SINGLE SHEET would be involved if the materials were to blame. Is it hard to imagine that a plastics fabricator would get several sheets from the same LOT# and use them in a single product? I think not.

Next question for the fabricator. DO YOU TRACK THE LOT# of EVERY SHEET IN EVERY PRODUCT? CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT LOT# THE SHEET ON THE LEFT SIDE OF MY TANK CAME FROM? If not, then the entire premise above is yet one more straw arguement.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9540340#post9540340 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BeanAnimal
I have a few basic thoughts here.

1) Proof of purchase: This can be argued either way, but in MOST cases is used to deny warranty claims and returns on items that should obviously be covered. In other words in most cases it is used as a tool deny claims, NOT Prevent fraud. I would hope that this is not the case here (though it appears to be).

2) We also require a standard Warranty Card (provided with the aquarium) to be filled out and returned for our records within 10 days of original purchase. This way we can verify the original purchaser, and purchase date. None was ever provided. You may want to look into warranty law my friends. Users (customers) are NOT required to send in ANY information to activate a warranty or receive warranty coverage. You can certainly offer additional services for registered users, but you CAN NOT tie your warranty to those registrations. In addition, you must clearly state the terms of the warranty (I.E. transference) and if you do not, then in most cases the CUSTOMER gets the benefit of the doubt. The law is fairly clear, even though many companies abuse the law and are not taken to task for it. You want us to beleive that this guy is trying to defraud you. You have painted the picture that he was NOT the original owner and that he has abused the tank. Yet, these are both assumptions on your part and certainly not warranty provisions (at least from what I have read).

3) Several modifications have been made to the top, with improper tooling. This has NOTHING to do with the warranty or the cracks. Instead it is a simple tactic to divert the subject away from the problem. Please show us how the CUSTOMERS modifications are the CAUSE of the cracks.

We have offered to remove a small section of the top and have it analyzed, at our expense to determine the exact nature of the failure. This would not affect the structural integrity of the aquarium. You want to remove a section of the tank, but have just also said that the end user modified the tank (and insinuated that the cracks are due to the customers modifications). It would appear that you can not have both. Of course some modifications are safe and others are not. The point is you have raised an issue and then somewhat contradicted yourself. Please show US how the customers modifications have caused those cracks and please explain how the CUSTOMER is to modify the tank to get your sample? Will you send him the "proper tooling"? Will you send out a technician?

4) You mentioned (at least twice) how all of us have had to go through this process. Yes, we have! Most of us are tired of arguing with folks who hide behind fine print and ambiguous language.

Should you pay for frivolous claims? Of course not. But this does not appear to be frivolous, instead it appears that you guys have a sparkly warranty that in reality it is fairly useless. It also appears that the basic premise is to blame the user and the component vendors instead of honoring the big sparkly talk that gives users comfort in buying your product.


Well said. I concur with your assesment. Unless this tank is covered I would never consider buying from this company. After this issue is resolved they need to take a serious look at their warranty.

Hopefully this gets resolved and this company can save their reputation.

jacob
 
Additionally, since you brought up the car analogy I will offer this up for discussion:

I have a few years of experience playing around with high performance car parts and have seen a good share of stuff fail in a real work setting. Time after time the issues that come up with regard to warranty claims is that it was 1. installed incorrectly, 2. used in a way other than intended, or 3. used in an application that exceeded the manufacturer's specs. I have never personally witnessed, nor heard of, any manufacturer telling their customer that they weren't responsible for honoring a warranty because the foundry had a batch of bad steel.
Brett

Brett
 
this reminds me of when I had a 5th wheel hitch (oh wait 2 of them) from RBW fail while towing my 5th wheel the pins that keep the hitch from sliding would come dislodged enough that the hitch would twist out of the rails they refused to help me out I stated I would take it further so they said they would replace the hitch for me if I drove down to the facotry with the trailer 400 miles away so I had to buy a new hitch to tow it down when I got there the guy comes out and immediatly says oh no we can't help you you replaced the cotter pins with pad locks thats the cause... his argument that the 1/4" hardened steel padlocks were not as strong as the #12 gauge spring clip was their excuse for the failure needless to say I was not too happy now all I can do is tell anyone who owns one to not trust it and anyone looking to buy their product as they do not stand behind it unofrtunatly for them the 16,000+ memebrs of my truck club all got to hear about it and if I kept at least one more guy from being hurt by this company I feel better this seems like the same deal my suggestion to this company is give the man a new tank or find how fast bad news can spread through the very sites that you are trying to make sales with....

This is like my LED business I have to honor the waranty no matter what I cannot turn around and say oh sorry mr/mrs customer the diode manufacture had a bad run of their LED's so I cannot waranty the light you have purchased it is their problem; no it is my problem I sold the light in the first place and it is my job to fight with the supplier of parts to reimburse my costs but it is about making it right with the customer...

Sorry for the long post had to vent...
 
Camo1320, sorry for your troubles. Like we reefers don't have enough things to deal with than poor manufactures like that.

I went to there web sight and tried to find the warranty policy. I couldn't find it, but I did see this on the "about us" link.

_______________________________________________
Advance Aqua Tanks offers a Lifetime Warranty on all our ClearforLifeâ"žÂ¢ aquariums. What does that mean? Simply this: We stand behind our product 100 percent. Our continuing goal is to manufacture the finest acrylic aquariums and systems available. We support that quality with value and service.

____________________________________________________

Sounds ironic.
In the end I hop it works out for you.

However after reading this and the response by them I think they just make MY top 10 list of who NOT to buy from.

There are so many other good manufactures of aquariums out there, don't walk away from them... RUN.
 
Any Zippo lighter, when returned to our factory, will be put in first-class mechanical condition free of charge, for we have yet to charge a cent for the repair of a Zippo lighter, regardless of age or condition. The finish, however, is not guaranteed.

They have never once defaulted on their warranty! They take unclaimed lighters and hold them until they find the onwer. They have returned lighters found (recently) on the beaches of Normandy from D-Day and other WWII theaters to living family members that they find (many of those lighers were personalized by the soldiers). They also do this free of charge. They do not ask for proof of purchase or registration, they do not blame the customer or pawn the claim off on the materials manufacturer.

Just a lesson in the fact that SOME companies do standy behind what they say and do so 100% of the time.

The company in this case MAY even be correct. The problem is that THEY do not appear to stand behind what their website advertises. It is a shell game and as somebody else mentioned, there are other companies do not play it that are well worth giving the business to.

If you use 100% or Lifetime warranty to boost sales, then you need to stand by it instead of pulling at a scroll of disclaimers when a claim is made. The practice is common and sad
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9538132#post9538132 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AdvanceAquaTank

We stand behind our products 100%, but as with any Warranty issue, certain procedures and guidelines must be followed. We have all had to deal with warranties, and this is no exception.

Most importantly, the images taken specifically to highlight these ‘star fractures’, provide, in our opinion, a misleading depiction of the aquarium as a whole. This aquarium is in poor condition, and shows signs of years of abuse and misuse. Several modifications have been made to the top, with improper tooling. Looking at the aquarium as a whole (not just close-ups), its pretty easy to determine how well this aquarium has been taken care of.

Since when does Lifetime mean only years?
Please post your fine print warranty that details what you consider proper "use" or improper use, one that should include the modifying or improper tooling of the aquarium, that would void the warranty.
 
this is like the Magnus and Moss Act for automobiles I think the company should have to prove to us and the customer that what he did was fault of the failure and why instead of saying it was abused or misused ok if that is the case that's fine but please tell me why this would cause this kind of cracking in an area away from where the cracks occurred I just think it is time for these companies to have to take responsibility and prove themselves right that they should not honor a warranty rather than "well sorry no warranty because we said so" that's all.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9543758#post9543758 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by BeanAnimal
They have never once defaulted on their warranty! They take unclaimed lighters and hold them until they find the onwer. They have returned lighters found (recently) on the beaches of Normandy from D-Day and other WWII theaters to living family members that they find (many of those lighers were personalized by the soldiers). They also do this free of charge. They do not ask for proof of purchase or registration, they do not blame the customer or pawn the claim off on the materials manufacturer.

Just a lesson in the fact that SOME companies do standy behind what they say and do so 100% of the time.

The company in this case MAY even be correct. The problem is that THEY do not appear to stand behind what their website advertises. It is a shell game and as somebody else mentioned, there are other companies do not play it that are well worth giving the business to.

If you use 100% or Lifetime warranty to boost sales, then you need to stand by it instead of pulling at a scroll of disclaimers when a claim is made. The practice is common and sad

No judge worth his or her salt (pun intended) is going to allow a company to give a "100% warranty" (and I still don't know what that means) and then disclaim it on the backside. It just doesn't work that way, and implies (imo) fraud. Kudos to Mr. Bean on pointing out the bogus warranty card issue that was offered by Clear for life (or until we're no longer standing behind the aquarium). It's a red herring. This company is really playing with fire, and could easily be taken to task.... I would imagine that Cali. has rather vigorous consumer protection laws.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9544227#post9544227 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MC Lighting
this is like the Magnus and Moss Act for automobiles I think the company should have to prove to us and the customer that what he did was fault of the failure and why instead of saying it was abused or misused ok if that is the case that's fine but please tell me why this would cause this kind of cracking in an area away from where the cracks occurred I just think it is time for these companies to have to take responsibility and prove themselves right that they should not honor a warranty rather than "well sorry no warranty because we said so" that's all.

If you read the law, that is pretty much the case. The problem is paying legal council to serve the vendor and drag them into court to force them to prove that you are in breach of the warranty. They now it and that is why and how they get away with this nonsense. You can thank the elected officials for leaving in the loopholes and wiggle room for the trial lawyers to profit from the whole mess.

If CFL has any brains they will not show up here and say anything else because just about anything they say is bad for them. If the warranty is gone from the website but was there last week, you can bet they are already in contact with their council and preparing for damage control.

Bean
 
Wow ok. First off i didnt fill out the warranty card. BUT IT STILL HAS THE ORIGNIAL CLEAR FOR LIFE STICKER ON IT

It doesnt say anything about having to send you warranty card in. You should let your dealers know.

Dude you gotta be kidding me did you want me to buff the tank out before i borught it too you. Its been sitting in the garage collecting dust.

This waS a running tank. I have seen worse. Whould you like me to break down my other clear forlife tanks and show you how they look after 3-5 years of use.

You guys seen the tank yourself. you could not provide me with the point of impact in any of the cracks. you scratch your head too and said it was chemicals. I have witnesses who listen to eveyrthing you said.

OK YOU BUY A CAR FROM THE DEALER AND IT COMES WITH 100,000 MILE WARRANTY YOU DONT NEED TO FILL OUT A WARRANTY CARD.. YOUR WARRANTY IS FOR LIFE... YOU SHOULD CHANGE THAT..

YOU LIE , how can you come on a public forum and lie. I NEVER SAID GIVE ME A NEW TANK I WANTED IT FIXED OR ASK IF YOU CAN HELP ME AND FIND OUT WHAT THE CAUSE WAS, ALAN SAID IT COULD NOT BE FIXED SO THEN I SAID CAN YOU REPLACE IT?

YOU HAVE THE FREAKING TANK DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO WITH IT THEN.. I DIDNT WANT THE TANK CUT UP AND ME END UP WITH NOTHING. CUT THE SIDE OF THE TANK AND GET YOUR TESTS DONE.

OK SAY YOU DO CUT THE TANK ON THE SIDE AND REPLACE IT THE BACK HAS MOST OF THE CRACKS WHAT THEN YOU STILL WANT ME TILL FILL IT UP AND USE IT..????
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9546004#post9546004 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Camp1320.com
Wow ok. First off i didnt fill out the warranty card. BUT IT STILL HAS THE ORIGNIAL CLEAR FOR LIFE STICKER ON IT

It doesnt say anything about having to send you warranty card in. You should let your dealers know.

...

Again, ignore the warranty card comments. YOU DO NOT NEED TO FILL OUT WARRANTY CARDS! EVER!

Interesting:
These were enacted in California in 2002 (went into effect 2003): http://www.privacy.ca.gov/leg2002.htm

The pertinent part: "SB 1765 (Bowen) - Warranty cards: requires product warranty cards to clearly state that the consumer is not required to return the card for the warranty to take effect. [Chapter 306 of 2002]"

Bill had teeth as amended, too( http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/01-02/bill/sen/sb_1751-1800/sb_1765_cfa_20020410_080417_sen_comm.html ). I haven't yet found if that was the form that passed, though.

Edit: and if you read the bill analysis linked above, this is in there:
"CHANGES TO EXISTING LAW

1. Existing law , the Song-Beverly Consumer Warranty Act,
prohibits companies from requiring a consumer to submit a
warranty card as a condition of warranty coverage."
 
thank you Musmusculus..!!!!!! and again thank you all RC members . If i was trying to scam someone/company i would have gottan bashed for it. this is legitment.

im not gonna stand here and watch this. These guys are trying to discredit me. This was normal wear and tear. I not trying to scam anyone for a free tank. I dont want a free tank. I want it fixed and guranteed it will not bust. thats all. How dare you guys try to turn this on me. MAN. its bad that i had to watch that tank emtpy. and now the mfg trying to cover there ***.

darn YOU GUYS IF YOU THINK IM TRYING TO SCAMM YOU FOR A NEW TANK... IM GONNA SELL THE REST OF MY CLEAR FOR LIFE. i told you i had other clear for life tanks too. This is bullcrap. My blood is boiling. Wow

Obviously you dont know what it feels like to look at a empty tank everyday , bad enough you wife doesnt want you to have the tank. im seriously loosing sleep over this
 
Camp,

Were you the original purchaser of the aquarium in question and what is the aquarium's current age?

Would you mind providing a full tank shot of the aquarium in question? I am certain that if the tank is in reasonably good shape it will help to prove your point. If not, it would be proving the manufacturers point.

Please don't get me wrong, the warranty as written certainly seems misleading. The only thing that I question is if the manufacturer is responsible for the type of damage that has occurred. Based on what I have seen, I do not believe this is a manufacturing issue. It is most likely improper cleaning or impact damage as has been stated before.
 
"Per our warranty, we require an original Proof of Purchase/Receipt. None was ever provided. This is important because without it, we can’t be assured that this issue arose while in this particular customer’s care.

We also require a standard Warranty Card (provided with the aquarium) to be filled out and returned for our records within 10 days of original purchase. This way we can verify the original purchaser, and purchase date. None was ever provided."

Something to think about...I mean it does make sense that these measures are in place to protect the manufactuer..
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9550424#post9550424 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Red_Belly_Pacu
"Per our warranty, we require an original Proof of Purchase/Receipt. None was ever provided. This is important because without it, we can’t be assured that this issue arose while in this particular customer’s care.

We also require a standard Warranty Card (provided with the aquarium) to be filled out and returned for our records within 10 days of original purchase. This way we can verify the original purchaser, and purchase date. None was ever provided."

Something to think about...I mean it does make sense that these measures are in place to protect the manufactuer..

As pointed out earlier the warranty card deal is a non issue because of state laws. Original proof of purchase is another story. If it's a non transferable warranty and no proof of purchase was provided that should be the end of the story.

Unfortunatly it seems the manufacturer hasn't handled this well at all. I have seen enough to know I will never buy one of their products based on this incident.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9550705#post9550705 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer

Unfortunatly it seems the manufacturer hasn't handled this well at all. I have seen enough to know I will never buy one of their products based on this incident.

Amen brother.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9550705#post9550705 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by The Grim Reefer
As pointed out earlier the warranty card deal is a non issue because of state laws. Original proof of purchase is another story. If it's a non transferable warranty and no proof of purchase was provided that should be the end of the story.

Unfortunatly it seems the manufacturer hasn't handled this well at all. I have seen enough to know I will never buy one of their products based on this incident.

Well yea, say you bought a TV from an electronics store..It has a warrenty slip that you have to fill out and you keep the receipt for the future if something goes wrong...That is standard..If you dont have these stuff, the electronics store will not give you money back.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9549459#post9549459 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pyrrhus
Camp,

Were you the original purchaser of the aquarium in question and what is the aquarium's current age?

Would you mind providing a full tank shot of the aquarium in question? I am certain that if the tank is in reasonably good shape it will help to prove your point. If not, it would be proving the manufacturers point.

Please don't get me wrong, the warranty as written certainly seems misleading. The only thing that I question is if the manufacturer is responsible for the type of damage that has occurred. Based on what I have seen, I do not believe this is a manufacturing issue. It is most likely improper cleaning or impact damage as has been stated before.

I have nothing to hide.
I purchased the tank from a clear for life/advanceaquatanks dealer. It was one of there store tanks they were using.So since it wasnt sold to anyone and i was the first person to buy it after the dealer got it i should be the orignal owner???? or was the store the oringinal owner since they used it.?? Not brand new but in great cond. I DO have recpiects that i cannot find. i move 2 twice in 2 years and the store went out of bussiness or i would have asked for a copy. like i said im not trying to scam anyone for a new tank this was posted after i had talk to clear for life. not before.

Life time means lifetime
It is truly sad to say that even a "Lifetime Warranty" doesn't mean squat to the company that backs it anymore. Lifetime means no matter who purchased or currently owns the product it is protected. there is nothing on there website that states anyother wise.

All i wanted was them to find out why it cracked from the inside and if they said hey we can repair it for a small fee i would have so cool or replaceing it would have been even better and i would have posted how good there serivce was or what not.

the tank is at Clear for life for 2-3 weeks. i took a day off work to drop it off. yes the tank is dirty and yes it has water spot and yes it has claicum build up. what does that have to do with anything.

i used water and terry cloth or brillianize to tclean the tank. I will take pics of the tank once i get it back.

so your saying improper cleaning makes the tank crack from the inside. Once again the cracks all from the inside not the out side??.

they are asking exact dates when it was purchased if its lifetime100% what does it matter..?
 
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