Cracked For Life...!!! Help
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Bergovoy
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I dont know, but if you use a product for something or in someway for which it is not intended will be a sure fire way to void a warranty.
(I am just having some fun. Could not resist commenting on someone's family inside a tank... That is one big a$$ tank, or those are small a&& midgets...)
(I am just having some fun. Could not resist commenting on someone's family inside a tank... That is one big a$$ tank, or those are small a&& midgets...)
Bergovoy
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I am not sure what it has to do with camps tank, what did the picture of the tank with the family in it have to do with camps tank??
And are you trying to make a point here, and are you focusing in on me or all posts that may or may not be directly related to the topic?
Anedis there no room for levity in your world, or are you just a hard a$$???
And are you trying to make a point here, and are you focusing in on me or all posts that may or may not be directly related to the topic?
Anedis there no room for levity in your world, or are you just a hard a$$???
You are thinking way too much on this one my friend, my question was as direct and straight forward as possible, there was no underlying meaning, and i was not being sarcastic. I missed that link the first time around, so when you posted it I had no idea where it came from. I literally wanted to know what that tank had to do with Camp, obviously you don't know either and that is find, next time tone it down a bit, no need to be defensive I am in no way focusing on you or trying to make a point, it was a simple question.
Cheers
Felix
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Felix
"lifetime warranty"? i suppose they mean the a fish's lifetime not the tanks!
As their warranty offers replacement in the event of leakage, I'd let them cut the side panel out, then try filling the f***er up before they fit the new panel! I'd like to see them say it wasn't leaking then!
As their warranty offers replacement in the event of leakage, I'd let them cut the side panel out, then try filling the f***er up before they fit the new panel! I'd like to see them say it wasn't leaking then!
Bergovoy
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since you posted twice, and I have to ASSUME that posters read everything, (Sorry, I dont assume much, but when you posted the second time to me, about the same thing), I assumed you were confident in your question and position.
Since it appears you were not, I do step back.
Also, please understand that there are some, onthis forum, that do take things too seriously, and I am jsut the opposite, (At least I strive to be), and when dealing with one hard a&& and then another apparent one comes by, I did not give sufficient time to qualify your position and lumped it into the same category.
So again, I still take responsibility for anything and everything I do and say, and retract my earlier comment, sorry
Bill
Since it appears you were not, I do step back.
Also, please understand that there are some, onthis forum, that do take things too seriously, and I am jsut the opposite, (At least I strive to be), and when dealing with one hard a&& and then another apparent one comes by, I did not give sufficient time to qualify your position and lumped it into the same category.
So again, I still take responsibility for anything and everything I do and say, and retract my earlier comment, sorry
Bill
Camp1320.com
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im guessing clear for life is thinking that this will all go away. 
Pyrrhus
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Camp, just a suggestion. Let the manufacturer cut and test the material, if it comes back uncontaminated and they do not replace the tank, bump this thread and every thread you have started about this on every forum each morning. At that point every available option has been exhausted and there will be no question in the minds of those reading the thread.
Heck, if you do that, I will personally bump this thread each morning for you.
Heck, if you do that, I will personally bump this thread each morning for you.
Camp1320.com
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9649856#post9649856 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pyrrhus
Camp, just a suggestion. Let the manufacturer cut and test the material, if it comes back uncontaminated and they do not replace the tank, bump this thread and every thread you have started about this on every forum each morning. At that point every available option has been exhausted and there will be no question in the minds of those reading the thread.
Heck, if you do that, I will personally bump this thread each morning for you.
I TOLD THEM THEY COULD AS LONG AS I GET A TANK BACK. HECK THEY CAN CRACK A BRAND NEW ONE ANDGIVE IT BACK TO ME. I DONT WANT TO END UP WITH NOTHING. I HAVE A BUDDY WILLING TO BUY THE CRACKED TANK OFF ME TO USE AS A TURTLE TANK OR A REALLY BIG SUMP...
I GOT THIS FOR ANOTHER FORUM WHAT ARE YOU INPUTS..?
Hello Camp;
I can believe you in this instant but I think this is completely a manufacturing defect and should be brought to light. Those are indeed stress fractures but they are due to the size of the tank and the inert pressure exerted when the monomer composition is not flexible enough. Monomer composition controls the durability, water resistance and gloss potential of the latex polymer. Ethyl Acrylate, Butyl Acrylate, 2-Ethylhexylacrylate control the flexibility of the sheets of acrylic composition.
Natural monomers have a strong influence on the film's properties. Below is a table listing the typical latex monomers and their contribution to film properties.
Acrylic Properties and Chemical Compositions
Exterior durability
Methacrylates and Acrylates
Hardness
Methyl Methacrylate
Styrene
Methacrylic and Acrylic Acid
Flexibility
Ethyl Acrylate
Butyl Acrylate
2-Ethylhexylacrylate
Stain resistance
Short Chain Methacrylates and Acrylates
Water resistance
Methylmethacrylate
Mar resistance
Methacrylamide
Acrylonitrile
Solvent and grease resistance
Acrylonitrile
Methacrylamide
Methacrylic Acid
A typical answer from companies is that they have seen thousands upon thousands of tanks and this never happens. But my advice to the manufacturer is to begin with the chemical composition of the acrylic's flexibility. Then and only then would they be able to pin point the problem. Your chemists should very well easily be able to come to a conclusion as to what polymer chemicals were used and how much was used in each batch.
And on a side note, one batch does not make up one sheet. Typical of a manufacturing company to say that also.
I think this is a bogus call on their behalf to help out a customer. I wonder how many customers this has happened to. The BBB should be forewarned.
You have one customer out of thousands, what's the problem if you guarantee it for LIFE? I think by stretching this out longer you are just tarnishing your reputation. Help the guy out already, this customer has shared this on many forums already and many people do not see his bad intentions. I think the customer just wants some closure here.
BeanAnimal
Premium Member
That is the EXACT POINT.
If this is 1 out of 1000 then they should just step up and replace the tank, almost no questions asked. Instead they are playing games and have tried to come up with a bakers dozen of reasons that they should not have to replace the tank. That leads you to believe that they have seen a LOT more problems than they are willing to admit and can not afford to cover their "lifetime" warranty -=OR=- they simply have no intention of replacing tanks no matter what the problem.
My best guess is that even a busted seam would be blamed in the customer or defered to the solvent or acrylic manufacturer and NOT the actual work done by CFL. Anyway to activate a loophole to get out of replacement.
Camp? He will likely not ever get any money or a tank unless he spends much more than the tank is worth in court (I suspect CFL knows this).
You would hope that this thread (and others like it) would steer people towards companies that sell better products and stand behind them, but in the end it will not make much difference (I suspect CFL has come to the same conclusion as well). They painted the end user as a scam artist and have moved on to sell tanks to other unsuspecting folks who read the glitzy warranty and service claim "100%" and "LIFETIME" are all people want to hear and they know it.
If this is 1 out of 1000 then they should just step up and replace the tank, almost no questions asked. Instead they are playing games and have tried to come up with a bakers dozen of reasons that they should not have to replace the tank. That leads you to believe that they have seen a LOT more problems than they are willing to admit and can not afford to cover their "lifetime" warranty -=OR=- they simply have no intention of replacing tanks no matter what the problem.
My best guess is that even a busted seam would be blamed in the customer or defered to the solvent or acrylic manufacturer and NOT the actual work done by CFL. Anyway to activate a loophole to get out of replacement.
Camp? He will likely not ever get any money or a tank unless he spends much more than the tank is worth in court (I suspect CFL knows this).
You would hope that this thread (and others like it) would steer people towards companies that sell better products and stand behind them, but in the end it will not make much difference (I suspect CFL has come to the same conclusion as well). They painted the end user as a scam artist and have moved on to sell tanks to other unsuspecting folks who read the glitzy warranty and service claim "100%" and "LIFETIME" are all people want to hear and they know it.
Wow.. what a thread..
Because of this, I will never buy a CFL tank.
Also, I can't believe their registration cards needs to be mailed in within 10 days of purchase. Not everyone has the time to fill out and mail something out within 10 days. It is just an unreasonable request. 30 days minimum.
Because of this, I will never buy a CFL tank.
Also, I can't believe their registration cards needs to be mailed in within 10 days of purchase. Not everyone has the time to fill out and mail something out within 10 days. It is just an unreasonable request. 30 days minimum.
As pointed out earlier in this thread, laws in many (most/all?) states specifically state that vendors may not require customers to register their products in order to validate the warranty. Companies can, and many do, offer additional coverage or services if the card is returned but they may not deny basic coverage if the card is not sent in.
coker98
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Very well argued and I will consider this as a non-advised tank based upon this thread. Some of you guys should be prosecutors or lawyers, you'd do a great job arguing cases. But overall I hope this works out for Camp because this seems to be a lot of trouble to go through for a tank. I am glad that I have LFS and the like that honor and try to help the customer and maintain the integrity of their products.
