Crown of Thorns Starfish

Kanicky

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I'm sure some of you have seen the Discovery TV special on the Crown of Thorns Starfish and the way the species has been destroying the Great Barrier Reef...

I find this episode as fascinating as it is horrifying and I was wondering what my fellow aquarists think about this epidemic?
 
I think the Discovery Channel version of the story is interesting, but the real story is a lot better. Basically, it's not certain that they're really a problem. We know essentially nothing about their life history or their historical role on the reefs.

I'll have to come back to this later when I have more time to fill in the details.
 
Looking forward to the info you have to share, Green!

We were watching that IMAX Deep Sea movie (which is pretty darn cool!) the other day and there was a snail that they featured who eats the Crown of Thorns Starfish. It was amazing to see it go to town on one... I wonder what the population of these snails is, compared to the population of the CT's Starfish...
 
I did a science class report when I was in 9th grade about the crown of thorns eating the GBR.
I wanted to follow Cousteau then.
I ended up an an electronic engineer. But I have kept SW tanks since then.

I am now 55 years old. So, this has been going on for at least 40 years.
I think the reef would be gone by now if it was as bad as they keep saying.

I think there is more going on than they know.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11973018#post11973018 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by greenbean36191
I think the Discovery Channel version of the story is interesting, but the real story is a lot better. Basically, it's not certain that they're really a problem.

I've read that as well, but it's been a while.

Dave
 
The outbreaks occur in cycles that move from north to south along the reef over about 15-20 years. We only have documentation of two or three outbreak cycles, so we can't say if they're a new event or if they're increasing in frequency. People first started reporting the outbreaks back in the 60's but it's not clear if that was because the stars started increasing in abundance or just that more people were looking. That was also about the same time recreational SCUBA showed up on the scene and reef ecologists actually started doing work beyond the reef flats. We know from traditional stories and sediment samples that the stars have always been there, but we don't know how abundant they were before the outbreaks.

The stars can kill off nearly all of the corals from a reef, but after the outbreak most of the reefs recover to higher diversity and cover (often over 100%) than prior to the outbreaks within a few years. When there's lower mortality the stars tend to knock back the weedy Acroporids and allow the slower growing massive corals to persist where they would normally be crowded out.

A lot of the documentaries say that pollution is causing the outbreaks, but the connection really hasn't been shown. The idea is that increased runoff is leading to phytoplankton outbreaks and those outbreaks are feeding the COTS larvae. It's a plausible theory and it has been shown in the lab that increased phyto improves larval survival. However, it hasn't been shown that phyto blooms are increasing or that larval survival is increasing in the wild. Food is far from the only factor that can limit survival in the wild.

There's also some thought that other human activities have contributed to the problem. The trumpet triton, which is one of the main predators of the stars, has been heavily collected for its shell. Also, when people first noticed the outbreaks they started cutting the stars into tiny pieces thinking it would kill the stars. Instead the pieces ended up regenerating and creating more stars.
 
The stars can kill off nearly all of the corals from a reef, but after the outbreak most of the reefs recover to higher diversity and cover (often over 100%) than prior to the outbreaks within a few years. When there's lower mortality the stars tend to knock back the weedy Acroporids and allow the slower growing massive corals to persist where they would normally be crowded out.

That would be analogous to a forest fire in the Pine Barrens. It actually keeps the ecosystem healthy.

Also, when people first noticed the outbreaks they started cutting the stars into tiny pieces thinking it would kill the stars. Instead the pieces ended up regenerating and creating more stars.

Clammers around here used to the same thing until they learned about the regenerative powers of starfish.
 
I think the key point or corallation of those discovery programs about the onsight research was the impact of terestrial nutrient runoff to the sea. The increased land based agriculture runoff of nitrates and phosphates is feeding green water blooms. The increased green water then sustains a higher survivability rate of the COT larvea which feed on phyto.

Nothing new. it happens all over the world where runoff or sewage alter the shallow coastal water ecosystems.

Before man made pollution, the COT was in natural check by larval attrition and predation. surviving but not thriving in overwhelming mass. It's like throwing fertilizer on a lawn and not mowing. the weeds will over take the grass.

Our florida reefs are under similar pollution pressure. they are being overtaken by algae. As too our northern bays, Chesapeake and Delaware, are very high in nutrients from farm runoff hundreds of miles away, collected, concentrated and transported to the bays by rivers. Plus all the muny sewage treatment plants .

We need to clean up our waste stream. and all things will be better. including the taste of our tap water.
 
I think the key point or corallation of those discovery programs about the onsight research was the impact of terestrial nutrient runoff to the sea. The increased land based agriculture runoff of nitrates and phosphates is feeding green water blooms. The increased green water then sustains a higher survivability rate of the COT larvea which feed on phyto.
Yes, this is the key point of the Discovery shows, and it makes for a great story, but there's huge debate about whether it's actually happening. It's been an area of research for the past 25 years, but it's far from proven.

Someone noticed back in the early 80s that COTS outbreaks around the world, not just in Australia, could be predicted by the amount of rainfall 3 years earlier. That seemed to clearly indicate some correlation between runoff and outbreaks, but told us nothing about the causative mechanism. Some scientists thought reduced salinity was improving larval survival. Other scientists looked at nutrients in the runoff (and the associated phyto blooms). Just to be clear, the outbreaks were predicted in areas with varying amounts of human impacts, so there wasn't necessarily any implication of anthropogenic nutrification.

Following the nutrification vein, people grew the early larval stages of the stars with phyto and showed increased survival. However, they didn't raise the larvae to competence or look at settlement. Other studies have raised them all the way to settlement and found no increase in survival between lower than normal and "bloom" concentrations of phyto. Also, there hasn't been any work correlating nutrient concentrations to larval survival.

There are lots of other factors besides food availability that can affect larval survival too. Predation is a big one. There is research suggesting that mortality at or shortly after settlement is extremely high and may be a more important controlling factor than larval survival.

The big question, if larval survival is the issue, is why aren't species with similar larval biology having similar outbreaks? Some urchins, despite having nearly identical larval biology, abundant adult food, and reduced predators, aren't blooming.

There are a lot more questions surrounding COTS outbreaks than there are answers. Chief among them is are they even a new event, which we can't answer. There are very few aspects of COTS outbreaks that are actually settled.
 
Good Points GB!

But near as i can figure, the larvae dont care what the source of nitrates/phosphates is that feeds the phyto blooms. It can be from human induced sources of land/runoff mismanagement or natural run off of accumulated detretus during periods of high rainfall. Phyto still blooms. But we can and should do something about our own waste which always seems to tip the balance away from the norm of happy stable ecosystems. Our types and amounts of waste seem to be particularly potent, and piled on top of natural cycle runoff.

As for raising larvae to juvenile and adult, well, they may be lacking the diversity of the lagoons and reefs in their tanks to do it properly. Try breeding tangs. Havent heard of much success with them, or other larval reproducers.

Concerning predation, I thought the COT was pretty much imune to most carnivores because of it's toxins. only a few, low density predators seem capable of eating it. The triton , as they say is a low level predator, not many around, even in balanced ecosystems. Certainly not enough to stem the tide.

I think they make a very good case for runoff pollution feeding the bloom of COT. Correcting that runoff might not only stem the tide of COT outbreaks, but also much of the rest of the pollution pressure on the health of reef corals and critters and fish.

There is absaputely nuthing wrong with cleaning up our own mess and the waters we depend upon. It's our duty. Better living through Chemistry and Engineering and all that stuff... ....

That is the ultimate challenge. To walk the Earth and leave it a better place than what we have found.

Not turn the reefs into a dumping ground:
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But we can and should do something about our own waste which always seems to tip the balance away from the norm of happy stable ecosystems.

I agree. I'm not arguing that we shouldn't. There are numerous problems on the reef that we can clearly attribute to man-made pollution, but COTS outbreaks aren't one of them.

As for raising larvae to juvenile and adult, well, they may be lacking the diversity of the lagoons and reefs in their tanks to do it properly. Try breeding tangs. Havent heard of much success with them, or other larval reproducers.
I think you misunderstood. It's not that the researchers couldn't raise the larvae successfully. That's been done several times. The first researchers just stopped raising them after the second larval stage, satisfied that they had done enough to show that larval survival was food limited. Other researchers after them were successful raising the larvae all the way to settled juveniles, but found that phytoplankton concentration didn't seem to make a difference in survival to settlement.

As for pelagic spawners, there has been a lot of success breeding commercial game and food species, but the techniques took decades to develop. Culture of ornamentals is still far behind and it seems like people are trying to reinvent the wheel. The success doesn't have anything to do with a lack of diversity, just a lack of resources to figure it out. It takes a lot of time, money, and hard work to figure out how to breed these fish before they ever start making money, so it's not a very attractive endeavor from a business standpoint and a bit out of the range of most hobbyists.

Concerning predation, I thought the COT was pretty much imune to most carnivores because of it's toxins. only a few, low density predators seem capable of eating it. The triton , as they say is a low level predator, not many around, even in balanced ecosystems. Certainly not enough to stem the tide.
Well, predation of the stars is poorly studied so it's nearly impossible to say whether predation was ever a controlling factor and if it was, whether or not that has changed.. As adults, they've got at least 11 known predators of varying abundance. Large proportion of adult show evidence of recent, non-lethal predation. As larvae almost any zooplanktivore such as clownfish, corals, some tangs, some angels, anthias, damsels, etc. will eat them. Obviously these are in high abundance. There is some evidence that juveniles and sub-adults see high predation, but this is probably the hardest stage of the cycle to study because they're cryptic.

I think they make a very good case for runoff pollution feeding the bloom of COT. Correcting that runoff might not only stem the tide of COT outbreaks, but also much of the rest of the pollution pressure on the health of reef corals and critters and fish.
There's a good case that COTS blooms are correlated with runoff, but there really isn't a case to be made yet whether pollution plays any role in the COTS outbreaks. 1) It hasn't been shown that there is extensive nutrification. Local nutrification near some sites that are suspected primary outbreaks has been recorded, but not near others. 2) It hasn't been shown that the larvae are food limited. If they aren't, then whether terrigenous nutrients are causing algae blooms is a moot point. 3) There's no explanation for why similar organisms, such as Echinometra aren't blooming as well. 4) It's still not known whether there even is an increase in COTS abundance. There is a lot of work suggesting that periodic outbreaks of COTS have been occurring for as long as 8000 years on the GBR. The idea that they're a new phenomenon is based in large part on the fact that they weren't reported prior to 1962, but then again very few people were looking and no one was keeping records. The only tangible evidence that they're new is from looking at growth and damage of massive corals. Without knowing what populations were in the past we can't say that survival is increasing, much less that X is causing it.

Lots of inverts have what are called mast settlements. That means recruitment is typically low, but rarely there are years with unusually high larval recruitment. In the Caribbean I've seen it with Acropora and Diadema. Both were killed off in the 80s and had almost zero recruitment in the area I worked in for the next 20-25 years, then suddenly a few years ago there were two stellar years for Diadema and a great year for Acropora, but they've both had very poor recruitment since then. The same thing seems to be true for the COTS. The periodicity and pattern of the outbreaks shows that these guys are generally having poor/moderate survival, but every 20 years or so you get extremely good settlement and a primary outbreak. From there density effects take over and start secondary outbreaks downstream. Genetic evidence supports this.

The evidence leads me to believe that these outbreak cycles aren't something new, but their intensity may be increasing. I strongly suspect, as many others do, that humans are exacerbating the natural cycle, but the jury is still out on that one and science doesn't work on hunches.
 

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