Cupramine and Angels

[cFloor]

I was wondering how Angels, such as a gold flake, regal, and majestic handle cupramine treatment in QT. Should I follow the instructions on the bottle or dose less? Thank you

 

[Newsmyrna80]

Angels can be very sensitive to cupramine. IME they didn't handle it and ended up doing TT but that was many years ago.

 

[.Chris.]

From personal experience I can tell you that the regal is fine in Cupramine for extended periods at levels up to 0.55

I have no experience with the other two however.

 

[SDguy]

I haven't had problem with larger angels and Cupramine. I never run it at the Seachem recommended dose, though. More like 0.35. I've had anecdotal issues with Cupramine and dwarf angels, but I can say with 100% certainty that the Cupramine was the issue, so.... take it for what it's worth.

 

[.Chris.]

I haven't had problem with larger angels and Cupramine. I never run it at the Seachem recommended dose, though. More like 0.35. I've had anecdotal issues with Cupramine and dwarf angels, but I can say with 100% certainty that the Cupramine was the issue, so.... take it for what it's worth.

I also have anecdotal evidence of Dwarfs not doing well with copper. I can almost guarantee it was the copper, though. We had a batch of Flames come in at the LFS for which I work, and they did fine in the coral tanks, but wiped out in copper.

I find Flames and Potters to be the most sensitive, however.

 

[SDguy]

Yeah, in my case I lost 2 flames during Cupramine treatment. Again, I can't say it was the Cupramine with certainty, but that was my experience.

 

[.Chris.]

Yeah, in my case I lost 2 flames during Cupramine treatment. Again, I can't say it was the Cupramine with certainty, but that was my experience.

Well, in my case, all other things being equal (same salinity, same salt, same temperature, same level of NO3-, etc.), the only difference was that the fish only system has copper, and the coral systems do not.

Sixline wrasses (although not the other members of the pseudocheilinus genus, bizarrely), anampses wrasses, seem to be badly affected also.

I see people claim all sorts of wild things about how badly copper affects whole slews of fish, but those are really the only ones I've seen die within days on a consistent basis from therapeutic copper levels.

Obviously long term exposure (6-12 weeks, from my experience, depending on which fish), will negatively impact any species, as copper wreaks havoc on the internal organs of fish, but in the short term (i.e. QT length), it's fine for 95% of species I've encountered.

 

[cFloor]

Thank you all for the input, much appreciated!
SDguy- How long do you treat your fish at the lower level of 0.35? I was thinking 3 weeks before two rounds of prazi.

 

[SDguy]

Thank you all for the input, much appreciated!
SDguy- How long do you treat your fish at the lower level of 0.35? I was thinking 3 weeks before two rounds of prazi.

I do at least three weeks, then observe for the rest of the time. Prazi during that time is fine also.

 

[cFloor]

SDguy- thanks again! I just found your QT thread and reading through it now. I have to quarantine 6 fish, so it's very helpful.

 

[SDguy]

SDguy- thanks again! I just found your QT thread and reading through it now. I have to quarantine 6 fish, so it's very helpful.

The "Ugh I'm crazy" one? :lol: Don't judge

 

[lhm nole]

Everytime I have used cupramine even at low dose have killed flame angels thought is was a fluke but after 6 think it was the cupramine switched to coppersafe and no issues.

 

[cFloor]

The "Ugh I'm crazy" one? :lol: Don't judge

That's the one, Great read! You have some amazing fish.

 

[Shanet]

I know you're talking about copper but you are also talking about Dwarf Angels so I guess it's OK. I am putting a Potters and a Flame through QT and I have used CP for 16 days and of the last 2 days Prazipro, they have breezed through and have eaten all the time. Only 5 days left for a full QT Process. I can recommend CP and Regal/Dwarf Angels