Cupramine Treatment

[happyface888]

Sigh... My hippo stopped eatting and I lost that dwarf angel. It seems ich is destroying my Tank, Im feeling like hypoing now. I havent seen any imporvements in these days. Hippo is still covered with massive ich the angel died from the ich. Perculas also have ich. Maybe I should of went hypo, whats the affect on hypo w/ live rock and sand? The sand in my tank, half of it is old sand and half of it was taken out of my brother reef tank for a year and it smelled but rinsed it out. Maybe its the ammonia spiking the tank right now. who knows I think Im giving up on cupramine if it doesnt remove the ich and every fish goes, Im going to let it run for a month or two than Start QTing fish.

 

[happyface888]

Thanks for all the support everyone, sigh im ending this treatment my hippo just passed and all thats left is a pair of clowns and 3 small yellow damsels. all covered in ich. Rocks are still purple, tube anemonie is still doing fine, havent noticed any floating pods. GL and thanks

 

[Paul B]

Copper kills tube anemones very fast, it is still alive because all of the copper was absorbed by the calcium rock. There is no free copper in your tank, thats why the fish died.
Sorry.
Paul

 

[happyface888]

Paul can u tell me more about live rocks w/ calcium and the effects of copper when live rock is present. I would much appreciate it if you can provide more information. I always thought that copper stays in tank no matter what you have in there but never thought live rocks w/ calcium could eat it. Thanks

 

[thelostrican]

it doesnt eat it, the rock will absorb it, that copper could be release at any time, so you could kill your fish etc at any time, dont treat copper with live rock, copper will kick ich out but you have to be responsible to test it daily, etc...

i use copper almost every time i get a new fish, i put him on 30 long qt tank, and i will give them at least one week of copper.

 

[happyface888]

I asked Seachem, cupramine doesnt get stuck in the rocks unlike normal copper so Im safe for now but it sucks that my fishes died at the end. Yeah regular copper is dangerous w/ live rocks, My tube anemone still thrives guess its not effected. Gl to others who will use cupramine/copper to treat their fishes.

 

[Paul B]

Seachem may not be giving you the entire story. Copper will definately kill ich in a few days, even Cuprimine. Calcium absorbs copper weather it is in Cuprimine or not. The copper in Cuprimine is probably cheleated and maybe it is harder to get absorbed in the rock but much of it is in there anyway.
Copper alone works faster than Cuprimine but you have to monitor the dosage closely.

 

[thelostrican]

Paul B: i agree, and it does get absorbed, i am talking base on experience with the product.

cupramine is not cheleated, its ionic, and will get absorbed, and if it was chelated, like copper safe, it would still get absorbed, albeit it would take longer...

 

[kevin2000]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10149687#post10149687 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by thelostrican
cupramine is not cheleated, its ionic, and will get absorbed, and if it was chelated, like copper safe, it would still get absorbed, albeit it would take longer...

Seachem indicates that their product is amine based not ionic .. thats what is suppose to make cupramine the least harsh copper on the market compared with ionic products which are known to be harsh.

Seachem claims that their product is not absorbed by calcium carbonate ... maybe thats true but I have doubts. Perhaps compared to std ionic copper it may be more difficult to absorb but I think their claims are tough to swallow. Who knows .. I am not a Chemist .. but I do know that some inverts are very sensitive to copper and I can't think of any valid reason why one would use Cupramine or any copper product in a show tank.