cycle ok?

Nabob89

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i'm in the process of re-establishing my 55 gallon tank.....all the water is in there along with sand (not live)......and I have base rock that i took off a beach while on vacation (i need to cure it since it still smells somewhat), so should I put the base rock into the tank before I add anythign else? Will this cause the tank to cycle? If it does, will that cure the base rock, and get my tank ready for live rock? Thanks
Matt
 
I would just put the base rock into the tank. That should get the rock cleaned up and ready for live rock. You could drain the tank after the base rock is clean, but I wouldn't bother.
 
so when the base rock goes in, will the tank cycle...then be ready for a cleanup crew after a few weeks....or do i need to throw a shrimp in the tank to get it to cycle (I think I heard that this is what some people do....?)
 
If there isn't anything on your baserock there would be little to no cycle. You mentioned that your rock smells so there must be some decay and that should begin your cycle. Just test and see how it goes. I could barely detect any ammonia etc during my tank's cycle and that was with regular uncured live-rock.
 
also, since it is only baserock, will i have to do frequent water changes during the cycle.....the smell has faded out significantly since I obtained the rock (its been outside during a few rain storms)....so I doubt there will be much decay on the rock in the tank....can I just let the rock sit in the tank with the powerheads, protein skimmer, and heater running? thanks
 
sorry i forgot to add one more thing....i want the tank to cycle now while just the baserock is in it (if it is going to cycle at all) so that way there isnt a HUGE cycle when I add my LR that will kill all of the hitchhikers. So should I just throw a shrimp in with the baserock to ensure that the full cycle happens now? thanks
 
I wouldn't dump a whole shrimp into the tank. That's a lot of pollution. Just feeding a bit of fish food every day should more than do the job.

I wouldn't count on not seeing an ammonia spike when you add the live rock. Bacteria are very efficient at producing ammonia from dead animals.
 
I agree with bertoni. While you may have a cycle with your base rock you may, especially if there is enough die-off, have another cycle when you add additional live-rock. You could prevent this by curing the live rock in a seperate tank or container and then moving it to your tank when the curing process is complete.
 
If the rock smells then then it will cycle...... throw a couple damsels in to help they are hardy or even some black mollies...
 
Wow bertoni not trying to step on your toes or anything but most people I know cycle their tanks that way... fish produce waste poop and amonia which help to ignite the cycle.... disease is a possibility but it can happen with any fish you add.
 
Yes, I know a lot of people use that technique. I still don't agree. Bacteria will produce ammonia quite nicely, no fish needed.
 
well the LR im adding is from a LFS so it is already cured.....im just a little confused about what order i should add these in.....right now the tank is full of freshly made salt water.....i need to add sand (not live)....some of the base rock, and the pre-cured live rock.....should just add them all the same day? If i put these in, how soon after can i add the first fish/corals? thanks
Matt
 
Add rocks first, if there will be any die off falling from them its easier to siphone it out from barebottom vs. sand bed. Besides it is easier to aquascape sandless tank. Every time you decide to reorganize rocks on the bottom, you'll have a sand storm.
Then use 1" plumbing pipe with funnel to place sand around rocks.

Since you have your LR already cured then I suggest to stock your tank with live very sloooooowly.
Make sure there no ammonia/nitrite for at least 1 week. Then add small clean up crew (add more later if needed).
As far as fish goes, add 1 fish and wait loong time before adding another.
 
marine freak, I think the reason most people that do not like to cycle with fish, i.e., damsels or mollies is that it is, in their opinion, cruel to the fish (they can become stressed and die). Why do that when you can cycle without using fish? Plus, most people (I think) usually do not want to keep the damsels and they can be hard to catch and remove.

Nabob, your option on adding the order of the sand versus the rock. Me, I add the sand first and put the rocks on top of it. But just be aware that this way rocks could possibly shift if you have a burrower that might burrow into the sand under neath one of the rocks. I have never had that happen but guess it could. I would put the base rock on the bottom and the live rock on top of that, but again I don't know how much it matters. I would rather have the live rock on top just for viewing and not hidden "under" base rock.

I really don't know why you should not do it all at one time. If there is a major sand storm, then you might want to wait until that clears some to see what your aquascaping looks like before adding the live rock.

From what I've read, I might think about adding a few corals first rather than fish and let them get established for a few weeks/months, but I know how hard that can be (to wait).

Give the live rock a chance to get established. That being said, I know I would not be able to wait too long before adding at least one fish once the tank is cycled. Try to have some sort of idea of the fish you want to add so you can add the most aggressive fish last.

Most hobbiests are not "patient" enough. Most times, one or two or three weeks is not necessrily being "patient" although it seems like it.

Well, now I'm confused. I just reread all of your posts. You start out saying that your tank already has water, sand and base rock in it, then you ask about what order to add those things?

Well, it won't be the first time I've ever been confused.:rolleyes: But it does sound like you are doing things right.

Frank
 
hey sorry about the confusion.......the tank has water only in it now.....i have two packages of live sand sitting on my floor, and several pieces of base rock outside on the porch.....i haven't purchased the live rock yet.......i think I'm just going to add the sand and base rock right now (sometime today)....then the LR once the cycle is over....thanks
Matt
 
Nabob, sounds like you are going good. From reading your last post, I am going to assume (maybe incorrectly) that the live sand you are going to add is something similar to "aragalive"? If that is the case, then it is really not what is considered "live sand", at least by me. When I think of live sand, I picture sand from another tank, internet site, etc, that specifically has "critters" in it such as worms, pods, small things, etc.

I am thinking your "live sand" is what is sold already bagged at the LFS from the shelf? If so, then I don't think that sand has "critters" in it. It is saturated with bacteria which helps with the cycling process. But maybe/hopefully I am wrong. Go ahead and get started. No time like the present.

Frank
 
fsa....yeah it's not really "live" sand....it just has live bacteria in it...no critters.....i plan on just taking a cup of sand from my LFS to seed my sand bed.....and I'm just going to throw it all in now.....ill keep everyone updated...thanks!
Matt
 
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