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velvetelvis
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What a jackass. Lowlifes like that should stick to beating each other up and leave animals alone.
fcmatt
Member
guys.. i am not sure you can say it is so immature. lets think about all the people who
have lion fish and throw in freshwater fish for it to munch on...
there they are taking a fish that is not used to saltwater, probably suffering on contact
with the water, only to be hunted down slowly by a lionfish.
on the other hand.. here we have what looks to be a damsel (the goldfish of saltwater in
my mind), being fed to a an anemone.
How is it any different?
Please keep in mind I am playing the devil's advocate here but it seems one cannot have
their cake and eat it too.
have lion fish and throw in freshwater fish for it to munch on...
there they are taking a fish that is not used to saltwater, probably suffering on contact
with the water, only to be hunted down slowly by a lionfish.
on the other hand.. here we have what looks to be a damsel (the goldfish of saltwater in
my mind), being fed to a an anemone.
How is it any different?
Please keep in mind I am playing the devil's advocate here but it seems one cannot have
their cake and eat it too.
Costa reefing
New member
good point fcmatt. Besides this happens naturally too, clownfish sense their host is hungry and the clowns will beat up a fish and drag it to the nem.
velvetelvis
Active member
I agree with greech. I'm not a fan of handing over a live fish that hasn't got a chance to fight for itself to a painful, stinging death, when there are healthy, already-dead alternatives available. I also strongly dislike viewing the killing of animals (even just as food for other animals) as entertainment. I used to keep snakes, so I'm used to feeding whole animals to other animals, but getting all "HUH HUH BEAVIS THAT'S COOL!" gleeful over it just strikes me as cruel and extremely distasteful.
Costa reefing
New member
My comp at work has no volume so i missed that. But yes i agree with you here %100 because i use to keep ball pythons. Cheering is not needed
fcmatt
Member
I also do not have speakers here at work and this probably was something
that was important to hear to understand the immaturity of the situation.
velvetelvis
Active member
OT, but I love ball pythons. I've kept probably close to 25 different species of snakes over the years, but they're one of my favorites. I also briefly kept a couple of Amazon tree boas...they were absolutely beautiful.
BonsaiNut
Premium Member
Feeding live food when appropriate does not bother me. What bothers me about this video is that there were a bunch of punks cheering and more interested in pain and suffering than in witnessing a natural process.
What is even more sad is that they think what they did was so uniquely cool it was deserving of its own YouTube video.
Notice that they disabled comments for the video - since people were probably flaming them for being such immature punks.
What is even more sad is that they think what they did was so uniquely cool it was deserving of its own YouTube video.
Notice that they disabled comments for the video - since people were probably flaming them for being such immature punks.
velvetelvis
Active member
Additionally, I'm not at all confident about the quality of care this anemone is going to receive in the long run, since the idiot who owns it seems to primarily view it as a way to impress his idiot friends. What happens when watching it eat live fish is no longer a novelty, and he loses interest in it?
deangelr
Clown Whisperererer
This actually does not happen in the wild. Several researches have tried to find occurances of wild clownfish feeding there host and it has not been witnessed (wilkerson)
If you have proof of wild clown feeding their anemone as occurs in captivity please share
fcmatt
Member
Interesting. I always just assumed since a clown in captivity will grab a piece
of food to feed the anemone.. it would do it with a weak fish or a piece of food
in the wild.
Does it not seem strange it would do it in captivity but not in the wild?
Or perhaps you meant a live fish being fed.. and not other types of food which
will not put up such a struggle. I still have a lot to learn about anemones.
Costa reefing
New member
I thought the same thing. Since in captivity i have seen clowns beat up fish to the near point of death and drag them to the nem. I assumed since they did this in our tanks they do this in the wild too. interesting
BonsaiNut
Premium Member
I'll be in Fiji in a couple months and see if I can get clowns to feed their anemones in the wild.
deangelr
Clown Whisperererer
It has been hypthosized they dont do it for different reasons,
one is that in captivity clownfish aren't risking their lives everytime they leave their anemone..
another is the natural clownfish foods are far smaller then what we feed them in captivity
I have also seen it in captivity.. if i put live ghost shrimp in the tank for feeding the clowns will grab them and place them in the anemone,
one is that in captivity clownfish aren't risking their lives everytime they leave their anemone..
another is the natural clownfish foods are far smaller then what we feed them in captivity
I have also seen it in captivity.. if i put live ghost shrimp in the tank for feeding the clowns will grab them and place them in the anemone,
deangelr
Clown Whisperererer
I would think that natural foods are an important criteria for this
BonsaiNut
Premium Member
Not to be argumentative, but if a clown will feed artificial food to its anemone in the wild, you are suggesting that it WON'T feed natural food?
Regardless, I'll have to see what's available. We're probably talking bait fish or similar (which I assume will be locally caught). However the fish will be dead - I don't want to deal with trying to release minnows over an anemone and watching them dart away. We are talking about a basic behavioral question - will clowns in the wild seize ANYTHING and drag it into an anemone? If I can get some photos of them doing so, I'll leave it up to others to run through all the possible combinations of what they will or won't grab. I'll probably just go up-current and release some stuff into the water and see what happens. The major issue will probably be the millions of other fish that I will have to contend with.
By the way - since I have witnessed wild caught clowns grabbing all kinds of things and shoving them into an anemone - including other live fish - I find it hard to believe that this is a learned behavior from being dropped into an aquarium. But as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words
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