Death....Interceptor???

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9745527#post9745527 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Oldude
When I treated my tank I used 1.5 large pills for 200 gals and left it for 6 days with the skimmer running and then did a water change. Killed the bugs and the hermits but the shrimp were ok and I still had a large pod population afterwards. Haven't seen any bugs since. I also have a few dragon face pipefish in case I missed any but I haven't seen any sign of the rb's in months. I now use about 1/3 of a large pill in about 2 gallons for an hour if I am soaking acro's before they go in the main display. Never had a problem.
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Strange. All my pods, shrimps, crabs died. I'd be weirded out if pods lived.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9745087#post9745087 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SDguy
That makes no sense. How could they possibly make up a large batch of this stuff, then form it into pills, and get the exact same amount of meds in each pill yet have that med uneavenly distributed through the pill :confused: That would mean they would have to add the med to each pill specifically.


Didn't Alan to a little mini experiment to determine the toxicity of interceptor on various organisms at high doses, including corals?
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i honestly wish i had a link to the post i read this in because it explained it in terms i could not. my very basic understanding of it was that the active ingredient did not settle evenly in the individual pill which was why you should not break a pill in half and dose it that way but instead grind the whole pill and divide the powder. to me it didnt make much sense either but it was posted by either a pharmacologist or chemist of some sort. wish i could give more specific details.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9747776#post9747776 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by oosurfin
i honestly wish i had a link to the post i read this in because it explained it in terms i could not. my very basic understanding of it was that the active ingredient did not settle evenly in the individual pill which was why you should not break a pill in half and dose it that way but instead grind the whole pill and divide the powder. to me it didnt make much sense either but it was posted by either a pharmacologist or chemist of some sort. wish i could give more specific details.
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Total crap, I work for the manufacturer and while this is true there is variation on a microscopic level as other have mentioned they are mixed in huge batches then dispensed as pills. Whatever "settling" occurs is so minor it is truly a non issue. This is a true rumor mill disinformation thing I have read multiple places. This is all tested before a product is released. There are standards for active ingredient concentration gradients down to 10% of the pill (or even lower sometimes). Whatever chemist or pharamcist was probably talking on a very smal scale (microscopic) and it was either interpreted wrong or he incorrectly extrapolated that into a full pill.


100x dose would be my guess at the issue. Also I would suggest always adding an airstone for circulation and oxygenation.
 
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The container used has been used several times before for water changes.....It never leaves my cabinet. I find it hard to believe it was contaminated.
 
BTW, did I miss it in this thread, was it after all bleaching that occured or RTN?
 
At this point I am going to say bleaching.....Some polyps appear to still be in the "nooks" but there is no expansion after 24 hours, so I really wouldn't know whether to say RTN or not.
 
Hold out Dustin, I had a coral that looked dead...really dead and I was to lazy to get it out of the tank for a few weeks (not like me at all). Then I noticed polyps one day, I was shocked...within a month or so the color began to emerge. A year later it is turning into a very unique and cool stag, green/yellow/ purple tips. Very healthy. My fingers are crossed for you.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9748919#post9748919 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kwl1763
Total crap, I work for the manufacturer and while this is true there is variation on a microscopic level as other have mentioned they are mixed in huge batches then dispensed as pills. Whatever "settling" occurs is so minor it is truly a non issue. This is a true rumor mill disinformation thing I have read multiple places. This is all tested before a product is released. There are standards for active ingredient concentration gradients down to 10% of the pill (or even lower sometimes). Whatever chemist or pharamcist was probably talking on a very smal scale (microscopic) and it was either interpreted wrong or he incorrectly extrapolated that into a full pill.


100x dose would be my guess at the issue. Also I would suggest always adding an airstone for circulation and oxygenation.
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well id much rather be set strait than to have misinformation and then spread it around. either i missed something while reading it or like you said it could have been said in a way that falsely applied this to the pill as a whole. i really wish i could find that thread now :\
 
I thought i read many times that a high dose for a short time does not kill the redbugs. anyone know if this type of dip works?
Also im thinking 1/8 of a pill for 50 gallons??? anyone?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9747618#post9747618 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by SDguy
Strange. All my pods, shrimps, crabs died. I'd be weirded out if pods lived.
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agree 100%, if you have copepods live, thats not a good sign...red bugs ARE copepods. You prolly skimmed most of the medication out by leaving it running.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9747776#post9747776 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by oosurfin
i honestly wish i had a link to the post i read this in because it explained it in terms i could not. my very basic understanding of it was that the active ingredient did not settle evenly in the individual pill which was why you should not break a pill in half and dose it that way but instead grind the whole pill and divide the powder. to me it didnt make much sense either but it was posted by either a pharmacologist or chemist of some sort. wish i could give more specific details.
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I remember this thread...but that was people speculating. From what I remember people were saying this is not true...cause vets and doctors have people break pills in half for prescription all the time. And even if that were the case....crushing the whole thing, then splitting it up wouldn't necessarily make it any more even....
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9757231#post9757231 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Justin/TiV
agree 100%, if you have copepods live, thats not a good sign...red bugs ARE copepods. You prolly skimmed most of the medication out by leaving it running.
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Yeah, I left my skimmer and UV off anywhere from 8-12 hours during each tank treatment.
 
Bluetmax: 100% water changes are quite stressfull on corals. And if they were not acclimated to the water in the first place... And that was a heck of a lot of pill in there. I just did a treatment with 1 / 24 of a pill in 15 gallons of water. I was treating the blackbugs on montis but much the same. Im sure you will do fine from now on. Although I would take it easy on those water changes.
 
They were changed out with tank water that they were already acclimated to.....The water that came out of the bags was flushed, because I feared introducing the bugs back to my tank if I dumped it back. Do you still think that was a bad idea?? I'm just trying to be sure that I do not make this mistake again.
 
how long was the treatment for and what was the cause to do more than four times? did they come back or get reintroduced?
bluetmax: I just know for sure that mixing fresh saltwater and doing to large of water change is stressfull. It was probably just stress along with 10 times the amount that chadfarmer dosed..lol
I mean its not all that uncommon for a acro to bleach or rtn
I know that one guy said that amount worked fine for him, but lowering that dose should do fine and it has proven itself to others many times.
 
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