Deltec vs. Euroreef
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Fishbulb2
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Because it was rated by deltec. Not trying to be a smart alec but I think you are on the right track by just comparing their other specs. Ignore tank rating as it's generally inflated anyways. Both are highly repected skimmers but I just wouldn't put any emphasis on tank rating unless it was from a truly in biased source. Euro-reef seems to be very conservative on their ratings and i assume deltec is too.
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BryanJ
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I thought they were both conservative as well but an rs80 is the same size as a aph525 even a little bigger and just a little smaller then the ap600 both of the deltecs are rated at 130 gallons heavy stocking and 200 gallons normal stocking. Yet the Euroreef is rated for 80 gallons. These ratings are truly confusing.
RichConley
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Why, the ER skimmers pull more air and make smaller bubbles than the Deltecs now.
People think their Deltecs are so much better, because they cost more. Cognitive Dissonance.
RichConley
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Yup, different pumps. The ERs pull much more air.
JER-Z
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yeah ok....
Model CS80/ RS80 Technical Specifications
Rated for aquarium systems of +/- 80 gallons with a medium bioload
Sump space required for skimmer: 9" x 9"
Height: 22"
Reaction chamber diameter: 5"
Reaction chamber volume: 1.02 gallons
Inlet size: .75"
Outlet size: 1.25"
Pump (included): SP2- Euro-Reef modified SEDRA KSP-3500A water pump
Pump power consumption: 28 Watts @ 115/120 VAC 60hz
Air intake: 420 lph
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Products > Protein Skimmers > AP600
Capacity: Normal Stocking: 200g
Heavy Stocking: 130g
Pump: Aqua-Bee 2000
Total Power Usage: 20 watts
Air Intake: 480 L/H
H2O Throughput: 160gph
Dimensions: Length: 11" Width: 8.5" Height: 22.75"
Cylinder: 5"
Intake/Return Pipe: Height: 12"/12.5"
Intake/Return Union: .5"/1"
less watts and more air....hmmmm
the RS80 is also non-recirculating fwiw
UCanDoIt
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I agree! Seriously look at the H&S A150 recirculating skimmer and it can handle anything that you throw at it on your 120g setup. You really don't need anything bigger unless you're thinking of upgrading in the hear future to a much larger tank. Heavy feedings and bioload on a 120g is no challenge for the A150. Good luck in your research, just take your time and get the right size skimmer for your setup and you won't be disppointed.
Jim_S
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JER-Z, you must compare apples to apples. The configuration of RC pumps allow them to draw more air, whether its an AB or sedra or OR pump.
So the ER numbers for an RC unit (RC80) are as follows:
RC80 1 x SP2 80+gal 200+gal 28W 510lph
RC80 5" 22" 6" x 16" 1" 1/2"
Sorry about the format, I just cut and pasted from MD's site.
But if the OP is looking at comparing the RS80 and the AP600, I'd say the AP600 would win by design, performance wise.
And as far as tank skimmer ratings, one simply CANNOT base their decision simply on this this. There is no set-in-stone standard of rating.
IMO the best way is to compare skimmers is by body size to airdraw ratios, then to consistancy of bubble output, and finaly quality of construction.
Cheers,
Jim
So the ER numbers for an RC unit (RC80) are as follows:
RC80 1 x SP2 80+gal 200+gal 28W 510lph
RC80 5" 22" 6" x 16" 1" 1/2"
Sorry about the format, I just cut and pasted from MD's site.
But if the OP is looking at comparing the RS80 and the AP600, I'd say the AP600 would win by design, performance wise.
And as far as tank skimmer ratings, one simply CANNOT base their decision simply on this this. There is no set-in-stone standard of rating.
IMO the best way is to compare skimmers is by body size to airdraw ratios, then to consistancy of bubble output, and finaly quality of construction.
Cheers,
Jim
crab0000
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After having owned both ER (actually 2) and Deltec I can say from my personal observation the Deltec is better. I have a physically smaller Deltec, than either of the ER's, and have less algae, more PE on my acros, better color etc. All is based on my experience with both skimmers, not just reading. BTW neither of my ER's made smaller bubbles than my Deltec.
RichConley
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What model ER did you own? The ones now aren't even all that similar to the ones of 2 years ago.
I've got an Euroreef RS-135 on a 100g total system and a Deltec AP851 on a 300g total system. Both work great but the Deltec worked from day 1 whereas the ER took a lot of fiddling to "tune" it. The ER also needed a gate valve mod in order to be able to properly adjust the flow (the rising pipe is nuts). The fish/coral load is proportionally similar between the two tanks but the Deltec is much more reliable & consistent in the amount of skimmate that it removes. Everyone makes a big deal about the cost of Deltecs... I paid 3x the price of the ER for the Deltec to filter a system that is 3x bigger. It made sense to me at the time & I'm glad I did it now.
I figured it never hurts when folks that actually own the equipment being discussed give their opinions.
I figured it never hurts when folks that actually own the equipment being discussed give their opinions.
RichConley
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Dave, I did own a deltec. It got sold. I wasnt impressed, it wasnt a horrible skimmer, but it certainly wasnt a good one.
I own a cheap $189 Reef Octopus nw200 at this point. 8" bodied skimmer, pulls twice the air an Eheim 1260 does, and makes smaller bubbles. (meshwheel, enkamat)
ALL of the commercial skimmers (barring BK, and the ATI bubblemasters) are absolute crap as far as efficiency goes. The Eheim 1260 uses what, 40w, and pulls 28scfh? I've got an OTP3000 ($39) pulling 70 scfh, and making smaller bubbles, on 52w.
Honestly, the only skimmer i can reccommend people buy at this point, is the ATI. The rest of them just underperform so badly its ridiculous.
Now, the newer Eheims are nice. Theyre IMO, better built than the deltec (but so is H&S, and a bunch of others..even my turboflotor was built better than the deltec), and they pull more air. That being said, they still suck.
AFAIC, by an ATI Bubblemaster, or DIY. Otherwise, you're paying too much for a subpar skimmer.
I own a cheap $189 Reef Octopus nw200 at this point. 8" bodied skimmer, pulls twice the air an Eheim 1260 does, and makes smaller bubbles. (meshwheel, enkamat)
ALL of the commercial skimmers (barring BK, and the ATI bubblemasters) are absolute crap as far as efficiency goes. The Eheim 1260 uses what, 40w, and pulls 28scfh? I've got an OTP3000 ($39) pulling 70 scfh, and making smaller bubbles, on 52w.
Honestly, the only skimmer i can reccommend people buy at this point, is the ATI. The rest of them just underperform so badly its ridiculous.
Now, the newer Eheims are nice. Theyre IMO, better built than the deltec (but so is H&S, and a bunch of others..even my turboflotor was built better than the deltec), and they pull more air. That being said, they still suck.
AFAIC, by an ATI Bubblemaster, or DIY. Otherwise, you're paying too much for a subpar skimmer.
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