happyface888
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Hmm I heard someone tell me that the long nose hawk are hard to get them to eat? Is that right?
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Peter Eichler
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Nah, they're usually pigs. If one isn't eating it's sick, unhappy, or an oddity.
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Peter Eichler
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10300697#post10300697 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by zemuron114
there is a few people in Hawaii that I know that have kept them long term. Copps here on RC has had one for a while i think.
my point on longnose hawks is that they shouldnt be on the list at all. Very hardy which is againt the reason for the thread i believe.
butterflies are always a touchy subject. It would take a while to get into the depths of butterflies
If this were a list only for fish that aren't hardy then I'd agree with you, but it's not. It's on there because many of them jump out of aquariums, moreso than any other fish we commonly keep IME. They're also notorious for eating ornamental shrimp as are other Hawkfish. In the notes it says they are hardy so I don't think many people are going to be confused as to why it's on there.
pirate2876
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how about latzinatus clowns?theyre not know to be hardy
hankthetank
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Bump......with a purpose.
wayne in norway
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I'm surprised to see C. heraldi on the list, and to some extent C. bicolor as I have kept both and found them not especially demanding. MAybe the ones that go to the US take more of a beating, and I think the US also prefers larger fish that are harder to get feeding.
Paracentropyge multifasciata is trickier. There re several peole in the UK who have kept them for a long time, and of course Frank Baensch was selling captive spawned/raised examples
Paracentropyge multifasciata is trickier. There re several peole in the UK who have kept them for a long time, and of course Frank Baensch was selling captive spawned/raised examples
bureau13
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You may want to add some common names where there are none (the one that jumped out at me, because I experienced it first hand: Pseodojuloides sp wrasses. I bought a "pencil wrasse" at a local LFS, and it seemed OK for a while, but rarely ate and eventually disappeared forever. Of course, a little after-the-fact research revealed it to be an excellent candidate for your list, but most LFS don't list the proper species names, and many of those don't even know them.
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zemuron114
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good point. they are more prone to jump. I enjoy your list
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10300697#post10300697 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by zemuron114
butterflies are always a touchy subject. It would take a while to get into the depths of butterflies
WetWebMedia has a pretty thorough and practical guide to butterfly fish (Good, medium, and poor choices for the aquarium). I would just recommend people look there than to try to break it all down on this list.
As for the anthias, of the commonly available species, I don't think bimacs are particularly difficult. I'd replace that listing with Pseudanthias tuka (purple queen).
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TWallace
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I've tried a few Potter's over the years and would definitely agree they're not as easy to care for as most other dwarf angels. I currently have one in my 55. I've had it about a month (2 weeks in QT first). So far it's looking good and eating ok, but I still think it could die at any second, due to my previous experiences with them. It was a picky eater at first, but luckily I leave my QT running at all times and it has a healthy population of copepods, amphipods and mysis shrimp, which the Potter's devoured.
I previously tried one about 7 months ago. It got a few white spots on it during quarantine, and the next day it was dead, before I had a chance to get the hyposalinity going. I've had similar failures in the past, often they won't eat prepared foods.
Peter Eichler
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My comment about wild clownfish would apply here. Do you really think it's much worse than any other wild clownfish after being flown half way around the world? They're so infrequently available that I just haven't seen enough info one way or another. So for that one I'd have to strictly rely on others feedback. Do you have any links with good discussions about the problems with them?
Thanks,
Peter
happyface888
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Interesting
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Peter Eichler
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That are two fish that are regulalrly collected using drugs. That is the bulk of their problems. If you can obtain a fish that were net collected your success rates will be much greater. The problem is at the LFS they usually have no clue where the fish was collected from. With the Bicolor Angel a higher price than usual can indicate that the chances of it being net collected are much greater. Improper collection practices are common with many dwarf angels, these are just the two that seem to be most commonly collected using drugs.
Here's what Frank has to say about the Multibarred Angel.
"In the aquarium this species has a reputation for being timid and difficult to acclimate. In fact, our broodstock animals could not be coaxed to properly accept aquarium foods for six weeks. Sadly, most collected multibarred angels survive only a few weeks in captivity. We were excited to find that our captive-bred multibarred juveniles eagerly accepted aquarium foods and that shy behavior often found in collected adults was absent."
I look forward to the day that tank raised specimens are more widely available at a decent price. Sadly, unless I heard wrong, the captive breeding of Angels by RCT is at least on hold for a while.
happyface888
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What are the common drugs used to catch fish? Cyanide? Peter I was wondering do baby triggers fall in the list of hard to care for fish since alot of them are cyanide caught? They may look healthy but one day they suddenly die. I read they die because of liver failure.
Peter Eichler
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Cyanide and bleach are the two most common substances used, though there might be others I'm not aware of.
Triggerfish are tricky, I don't think it's so common that they're as bad as the two Angels on the list. However, it's common enough with many fish that all hobbyists should educate themselves about possible problems and symptoms of fish caught using cyanide.
happyface888
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What are the symptoms of fish caught using cyanide? Bleach hmm interesting does it knock them out or something?
Peter Eichler
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Here are a couple good articles that are related...
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-01/sp/index.php
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2006-02/ft/index.php
In addition to the things mentioned in those articles I've seen clear/white stringy feces claimed to be a symptom of cyanide (though there are certainly other causes of this), and over time it will cause sores and ulcers and the colors will fade rather than that "aura" descibed in the articles. Lastly, odor of bitter almond on the breath of the fish is a dead giveaway
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peter, Ihave a Centropyge heraldi, he is vary ez to take care of some live rock older tank and wela. peteI have a dragonette he was starving at the lfs,I took him home I put him in a 75 gal. tank with some live rock, and a few weeks later he was fine just meet ther needs! I have a anemone under the right light and feed abot once a week mine has gotin big. some anemones are harder to keep than others, so do your home work. Right abut thoes Amphiphions tank raised are always best, any thing is! I have a moray eel snowflake my 4 year old son feeds him. when you buy an eel make shor you know how big he well get. Damselfish aggressive? I have to yellow tails, not only are they NOT aggressive mine lay eggs on the glass. I got one of those lawnmower blennys he eats shimpeletts alge discs flak food and helps with the alge in the tank vary ez to keep. I have a rainfords goby stays small and eats the red slime agle, he is not hard to keep , just give him what he eats and he will be fine! Funny you brut up the potters his next in my tank can`t wayt to get he! He will do well in my tank I know what he eats! Hers some saggestions pete many decades pete thar are some ananames can live for a 100 years or more. the bta are vary hardy and most clowns like them! I agree with you pete I have a species tank. pete a lot of your picks were well off the mark but I no you try good job. hope I help buddy!
Peter Eichler
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