DIY Jebao Battery Backup

frogg21

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So many of us will have some 24 volt wave pumps really soon! (macboat, are they here yet?! or we going to have to change you to slowboat,, just kidding, We're all indebted to you and I hope its expressed in many frags to you. :wavehand:)

Bugs DIY vortech, shows a nice simple solution for the Vortechs. It looks like the intelligent parts that sense the power loss and switch the source is located within the vortech driver.
We need the Jebao "homegrown" version, because lets face it, most jebao buyers are people who diy a fair bit (or risk a beating from spouse). We simply draw the line at 400+ for wavemakers. Therefore, various aspects of our reefs be "homegrown" aka diy.

12v-24v pumps make a battery backup system even easier for us who don't have them yet. Looking into it, people have used any 12v battery and this Tunze part http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/tunze-turbelle-safety-connector.html
Looking at that part, I'll bet its a double pull double throw (DPDT) relay trying to look like something expensive! BTW, if you know whats in that box, please enlighten us!
Maybe it should be $4 on ebay and look like this
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The relay works by connecting pairs of wires depending on whether a little coil is getting 12v or 0v. (There's 24v coil and other versions of the relay too)

So I've ordered the relay and believe it should switch power source from the pumps power adapter to any 12v to 24v source (I'd do a single 12v battery and let the pump run at half speed in event of power loss).
Now, if the DPDT relay does its job and we have 12v coming to the pump from a battery, I still need a 1-5 volt analog signal (which came from the Jebao controller or, for me, Apex when the power was on) to that third wire that tells the pump to run and how fast. I plan on using a voltage divider circuit (just two resistors) to tap the 12v from the battery and drop it to 5v to supply that control wire.
Oh, and for trickle charging, maybe grab a cheap charger at Harbor Freight.

So DPDT relay's 8 connections look like this:
2 wires from a 12v source that is powered normally, but off when power fails
2 wires from pumps normal power source
2 wires going to the pump
2 wires from backup battery

I'll update as things arrive, but please chime in with thoughts about how to do this. (like what if or what amp inline fuses to use?)

Or, if you've already done this, help me not reinvent the "homegrown" wheel, speak up!
 
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OMG! Call me stupid. I am completely lost. I should have studied engineering rather than biochemistry.

When you are done with the assembly, would you mind lead a DIY workshop for us? You can give us a list of things to obtain and bring to the workshop. I think I need to see it assembled in person to really get this.

BTW, THANK YOU for sharing. I truly appreciate it!
 
looking for input from electrical people

looking for input from electrical people

Absolutely, I'll do a little step by step anyone can follow if this works as expected. I just wanted to put it out there now for any constructive feedback, as I'm no electrical guru either.
I know its complicated and I'd be totally lost if I hadn't messed with these relays before on other things.
 
How about you just build a few after you find out it will work. I will get in line to purchase a few from you. I was going to try and talk Bugs into a test build.
 
I'll do the test build. If it works I'll lay it out super clear, and try to come to a meeting to do a demo. I'll do whatever I can to help, but I don't want to build them myself with the fact that it involves terminals, electricity, battery's etc around saltwater in people's house.. you get the idea..
 
Looking forward to you guys vetting out what works in this arena! I have a mixture of both Vortech and other goodies that I'm looking to back up.
 
I posted a link of what is inside the tunze 6105.50 and it is simply a 5V dpdt relay with a voltage reducer with three capacitors. I used a 24V relay. It cost me about $12 for the relay. I got to thinking why tunze would use the 5V and then have to step down the voltage, and put three capacitors to keep it stable.... Then I found a 5V relay and if you buy 10 at a time they are about a dollar a piece and reducers and capacitors are under a dollar also. So I have no regret using the 24V relay, it was more money, (about $6 all said) but five fewer solders, less heat and fewer parts to fail. Just thought I would include that for those who are looking to build this. It is really a simple DIY.
 
APEX controlled, mega battery backed up. So, I did it and it works great, but it got a little complicated. Basically, you need a DPDT relay to switch from outlet power to the battery's power. In addition, you will need another DPDT relay that switches the 1-5v analog 'pump strength' signal from the controller to the battery. Use voltage splitting circuit (two resistors) to decrease the voltage if/when needed. I have a big deep cycle marine as a power backup (probably run the pump for days). Also, as long as I was in the wires, did the APEX hook up, so pumps are APEX controlled. I hope the new Fusion Apex environment will make programming pumps a LOT better..
 
why the second DPDT relay

why the second DPDT relay

Frogg21,
Not sure why you need the second DPDT relay for switching the apex current. Hook you apex up to a 5v backup and wire the signal wire right to the WP-40. Not need for a second relay, only one for switching power and battery backup.
 
Can you unpack this: "Hook you apex up to a 5v backup and wire the signal wire right to the WP-40."

The Apex runs on 12v, and 500ma. I think your saying run the same 12v that's powering the pumps to run the Apex during outage as well. That could work I guess but considerations that had me leave Apex off the backup:

1. I even if Apex is on, it can't email/text warnings unless the router/modem/inet provider all have power too.
2. It's eating another 500ma that could go to the pumps.
3. The DPDT for the pump speed wire allows me to control the speed the pumps will run (let them run slower so they go longer) during outage.. I guess Apex can do that too by an if EB8 no power statement.

I guess a big benefit to having Apex on during outage = knowing what the parameters are if I'm around..
 
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