DIY LEDs - The write-up

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15328865#post15328865 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by der_wille_zur_macht
The first and last link you posted are, in theory, the same exact thing - a Q5 bin Cree XR-E on a star. The middle link you posted is an R2 bin, which is the next level up in brightness.

Cree bins their cool white XR-E with a two part bin code. One part indicates brightness, in terms of lumens/watt. That's the part most of us concentrate on. It's more or less a sequential number - Q2, Q3, Q4, Q5, then they jumped to R2. Each increasing bin gets a few more lumens per watt, which means more light in your tank for the same amount of electricity.

The R2's are extremely rare (hard to get) hence not many people in this thread have used them. If you look through the comments on that item on DX, you'll see that in the past, plenty of people have ordered them thinking they were in stock, only to wait months before getting them.

The second part of the bin code indicates a color code. "cool white" is a generic label; they further designate color by a two letter code. Cree calls this the "chromacity or dominant wavelength group."

WG is by far the most common, though a few vendors are selling WC. WG is spot in the middle of the range. It's interesting that ledsupply.com does NOT tell us the color bin, but they do tell us the kit number, which means we can look up a list of color bins it *could* be. The list happens to be WC, WD, WF, and WG. These are all OK and pretty close to eachother. FWIW, despite being labeled as "cool white" they are all pretty warm compared to the stuff we are used to in the reefkeeping hobby, which is likely the reason why so many of these LED builds are using a 1:1 ratio of "cool white" to blue.


So the Q5's will work then.. Thats what I see most people using.. Now to decide between buckpucks or meanwells.. Any ideas anybody? seen them both used with good results.. Want then to be dimable.. Also what power supply is everyone using? Looking to ru 72 leds..
 
Great thread & ready ot order for a 125gal. Need 12 buckPuck's but could save $60 if I order without the potentiometersx. Does anyone know the ohmage? Jim
 
thermal tape

thermal tape

It just peels off a backing. You stick it to the star and stick it to the heat sink. It is a rather firm attachment. It however is really easy to remove if you need to do so by twisting it off. Also no dirty fingers from the thermal compound. I compared this to thermal epoxy and there is no measurable difference.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15330632#post15330632 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jimnrose
Great thread & ready ot order for a 125gal. Need 12 buckPuck's but could save $60 if I order without the potentiometersx. Does anyone know the ohmage? Jim

Look at the datasheet:

http://www.leddynamics.com/LuxDrive/datasheets/3021-BuckPuck.pdf

The "external dimming using internal reference" schematic on the 2nd or 3rd to last page is what you want to do. The schematic shows a 5k pot.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15330251#post15330251 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by indigobluetc
So the Q5's will work then.. Thats what I see most people using.. Now to decide between buckpucks or meanwells.. Any ideas anybody? seen them both used with good results.. Want then to be dimable.. Also what power supply is everyone using? Looking to ru 72 leds..

IMHO if you want that many LEDs to be dimmable, you should forget about pots alltogether and build or buy a controller to do the dimming.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15330632#post15330632 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jimnrose
Great thread & ready ot order for a 125gal. Need 12 buckPuck's but could save $60 if I order without the potentiometersx. Does anyone know the ohmage? Jim

i'd say order it w/out the pot. comes w/ the wire leads if you order that way. i broke the lead of the pot on mine & ended up having to get one at radio shack casue there was no pin on the pot to re-solder....next time i'll get em w/out the pot to start :mad2:

another good thing about that is if you are doing multiples, you can wire them to a gang pot to control several w/ one knob

the data sheet for the buckpucks has this to say about the pot:
..........Note that because the current through the potentiometer is less than 5mA, a low power potentiometer may be used
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15330251#post15330251 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by indigobluetc
So the Q5's will work then.. Thats what I see most people using.. Now to decide between buckpucks or meanwells.. Any ideas anybody? seen them both used with good results.. Want then to be dimable..

Buckpuck vs. mean well is probably somewhat a personal preference thing. Dimming is probably a bit easier with buckpucks since you just need a pot - the buckpuck provides a reference voltage. IIRC, the mean wells come dimmable via PWM, or external 0 - 10v, so in either case you'd need something a little more complicated than just a simple pot to dim them (someone correct me if I'm wrong here, I can't seem to find the datasheet.)

Also what power supply is everyone using? Looking to ru 72 leds..

It should be noted that an external power supply is only required if you use the DC buckpucks. Many other drivers (including the mean wells) can be run directly off 120V AC from your home's wiring.

For the buckpucks, the popular choice seems to be one of the $15 DC power supplies from mpja.com, though you could certainly use any appropriate power supply of the correct voltage with a max current higher than your system willl draw.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15330762#post15330762 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by der_wille_zur_macht
.....I can't seem to find the datasheet.

they can be found HERE & HERE

i think i remember somebody saying that powergate was giving 9 weeks backlog on dimmable meanwells.....fwiw

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15330251#post15330251 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by indigobluetc
So the Q5's will work then.. Thats what I see most people using.. Now to decide between buckpucks or meanwells.. Any ideas anybody? seen them both used with good results.. Want then to be dimable.. Also what power supply is everyone using? Looking to ru 72 leds..

assuming you are using crees & going to run them on 1000mA buckpucks in strings of 6 (you said 72 & 12 buckpucks...& they will do 6 max, so thats a good assumption LOL), here's what i'd recommend......

most crees at 1000mA have a forward voltage of 3.7 so 3.7*6=22.2v so a 24v well work fine. then it's just a matter of deciding if you want them on 1 power supply or 2 (to do sunrise/sunset)

all on 1 supply, this 24v/12.5a supply should work.

seperating them on 2 power supplies, this 24v/6.5a power supply should work (you'll need 2 of them of course)
 
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assuming you are using crees & going to run them on 1000mA buckpucks in strings of 6 (you said 72 & 12 buckpucks...& they will do 6 max, so thats a good assumption LOL), here's what i'd recommend......

most crees at 1000mA have a forward voltage of 3.7 so 3.7*6=22.2v so a 24v well work fine. then it's just a matter of deciding if you want them on 1 power supply or 2 (to do sunrise/sunset)

all on 1 supply, this 24v/12.5a supply should work.

seperating them on 2 power supplies, this 24v/6.5a power supply should work (you'll need 2 of them of course) [/B]

The for what I am doing I could run them all on one PS. I just need them Dim able for what I am doing. I am creating a programmable controller that will auto dim for day night and clouds like the ones commercially made. This by far is not going to be a cheap build and I know that but I also will have all cooling fans on a individual controller with temp reading of the heatsinks all the time.. Will be running cree q5's for all leds.. Soundwave used 1000ma for the whites and 700's for the blues is this a better option or can you run them all on 1000's safely?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15330908#post15330908 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by indigobluetc
The for what I am doing I could run them all on one PS. I just need them Dim able for what I am doing. I am creating a programmable controller that will auto dim for day night and clouds like the ones commercially made. This by far is not going to be a cheap build and I know that but I also will have all cooling fans on a individual controller with temp reading of the heatsinks all the time.. Will be running cree q5's for all leds.. Soundwave used 1000ma for the whites and 700's for the blues is this a better option or can you run them all on 1000's safely?

read the spec sheets on the blues you plan on getting....some have a max of 700ma & some will take 1000ma

if they'll take it, run them at 1000....you can always dim them down. doesn't cost you any more since the power supply will give the juice & he buckpucks are the same price either way....then you have that much more brighness avail if ya need it

**edit** i just looked on ledsupply.com & if these are the blues you are planniing on using, they'll take 1000ma
http://ledsupply.com/creexre-rb.php
 
So if I were to run the following:
Whites
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2394
blues
http://www.ledsupply.com/creexre-rb.php
buckpucks
http://www.ledsupply.com/03023-d-e-1000.php
POwer supply
http://www.mpja.com/prodinfo.asp?number=17429+PS

I should be good? I would have another pc power supply to power the rest of my goodes like fan controllers/fans/etc.. Now on the dimable part.. I know they all say external dimable, can you hook all the whites together and all the blues and dim them at once or should I do it by heatsinks.. ?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15331050#post15331050 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by indigobluetc
So if I were to run the following:
Whites
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.2394
blues
http://www.ledsupply.com/creexre-rb.php
buckpucks
http://www.ledsupply.com/03023-d-e-1000.php
POwer supply
http://www.mpja.com/prodinfo.asp?number=17429+PS

I should be good? I would have another pc power supply to power the rest of my goodes like fan controllers/fans/etc.. Now on the dimable part.. I know they all say external dimable, can you hook all the whites together and all the blues and dim them at once or should I do it by heatsinks.. ?

equipment list looks spot on :)

dimmable....i'd get (2) gang pots. 1 for all the blues & 1 for all the whites. doing it that way will allow you to get the brightness & color definition you like.

i'm looking at these for my eventual build:
http://www.potentiometers.com/SeriesP09x.cfm?session_num=2009070903502181
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15331153#post15331153 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by james3370
equipment list looks spot on :)

dimmable....i'd get (2) gang pots. 1 for all the blues & 1 for all the whites. doing it that way will allow you to get the brightness & color definition you like.

i'm looking at these for my eventual build:
http://www.potentiometers.com/SeriesP09x.cfm?session_num=2009070903502181

That would work for the time bring till I am done making and testing my light controller.. When I get done with it. its gonna put those 3k solaris fixtures to shame.. go big or go home I say..
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15329279#post15329279 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JoshuaG
Sorry, it's finned. From www.heatsinkusa.com

IMG_1438.jpg

Thanks for the link!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15328873#post15328873 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by der_wille_zur_macht
I guess I didn't really answer your question. Assuming your criteria for "best" is (or at least includes) "brightest" or "most efficient" then the middle link you provided (to the R2 bin) is the best.



I have read other places that the R2's do not provide as good color as the Q5'S but this is all hearsay and I have seen no proof. this is why I chose to order the Q5's. which are also already here a few days later rather than weeks.
 
indigobluetc, could you tell us more about the controller you are building... I have been trying to have one built for a few years. Also has anyone had any luck controlling the LED array from an Aquacontroller? I have one and think it would be great to controll everything from one place and one set of software, wait that means when it fails everything will stop working... well lets hope it works :)

From what I understand the Aquacontroller sends out X-10 signals, the EE's I was working with found a way to use the direct connection from the controller for the information, then were going to build something that read that information and did as it was told. I would have my 8 banks of lights stagger on and off, dimming all the time up and down (day to night) to decrease the immediate light on and off effect. Anyone understand what they were thinking? Anyone tried this before? If there is anyone in the Portland Oregon area that is interested I would be happy to work with you, I have the controller, software, DC-8 and the X-10 stuff so you/I can play.

I agree with indigobluetc, go big or go home... 250 LED's you should be able to see the thing from a mile away :)
 
So I am practicing soldering and can't get it at all:( I am trying to leave a blob on the leftover pieces that the LED's were attached too, they are the same material as the pads. I tin the gun, press it to the pad, wait about 10 sec or so and try to add solder, it just won't melt! It's a 45W solder gun.

The only way I can get it to melt is by touching the solder to the gun, which obviously makes it stick to the gun and not the pad.

Any advice?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15332420#post15332420 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by big400g
indigobluetc, could you tell us more about the controller you are building... I have been trying to have one built for a few years. Also has anyone had any luck controlling the LED array from an Aquacontroller? I have one and think it would be great to controll everything from one place and one set of software, wait that means when it fails everything will stop working... well lets hope it works :)

From what I understand the Aquacontroller sends out X-10 signals, the EE's I was working with found a way to use the direct connection from the controller for the information, then were going to build something that read that information and did as it was told. I would have my 8 banks of lights stagger on and off, dimming all the time up and down (day to night) to decrease the immediate light on and off effect. Anyone understand what they were thinking? Anyone tried this before? If there is anyone in the Portland Oregon area that is interested I would be happy to work with you, I have the controller, software, DC-8 and the X-10 stuff so you/I can play.

I agree with indigobluetc, go big or go home... 250 LED's you should be able to see the thing from a mile away :)

Well I am messing with a few possibilities as of now. I know I can control it from my pc but I am not sure I want to do that. One option I have is a mini atx motherboard set up in the canopy and have it as a remote access pc from which you can control the tank from anywhere. If I had the aquacontroller I could prob make it work.

wow :eek2: 250 leds what are you putting that thing on?
 
First design is a set up with 2 heatsinks. The heatsinks are 12"x18" and I would have 2 of them. 36 leds on each heatsink. Light frame is 48"x10.5" with 4 fans total. I am gonna have a fan controller on teh fans with temp probes on the heat sinks to monitor the temps.
2heatsinkdesign.jpg

The 2nd design I made is with 3 heatsinks only prob I see is the center brace I would have to move the leds in the center one around the center brace.

What do you guys think? Which one do you like? Sorry soundwave for stealing you design..
Lightsmockup.jpg
 
OK, so I just got off the phone with the owner of Neptune sys and it appears that my AC3 that I have not used and has been collecting dust is now out of date. So that may be a bummer to me, but the great news is that the new Apex controllers now have a voltage output that you can use to controll the lights, meaning you have a much simpler controller, voltage to current type thing. So that sounds to be exactly what I needed, not messing with X-10 anymore... got to run and make dinner
 
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