Does anyone own a Leafy Sea Dragon??
- Thread starter carpus
- Start date
Be gone Troll
Dear Mickey;
Dear Mickey;
the forum seems to be "Seahorses and Pipefish". Perhaps that ought to be "Pipefishes", but let's not quibble. In any case, I think my posts were indeed within that category.
Unless I missed something, the forum is not entitled "Posts from militantly devoted lovers of seahorses and pipefishes". It seems to me that the actual forum title can legitimately include topics that suggest a dislike of these creatures, and of those who keep them. The only implicit limitation is that the topic involve seahorses and their relatives. I think my my posts meet that criterion.
In connection with the "troll" term you seem to have directed at me, I think it is inaccurate, since I don't live under a bridge and devour hapless villagers. Lighten up dude. Check with your local community college, and see if they offer courses like " Developing a sense of humor, even if you are a literal-minded belligerent dullard".
Dear Mickey;
the forum seems to be "Seahorses and Pipefish". Perhaps that ought to be "Pipefishes", but let's not quibble. In any case, I think my posts were indeed within that category.
Unless I missed something, the forum is not entitled "Posts from militantly devoted lovers of seahorses and pipefishes". It seems to me that the actual forum title can legitimately include topics that suggest a dislike of these creatures, and of those who keep them. The only implicit limitation is that the topic involve seahorses and their relatives. I think my my posts meet that criterion.
In connection with the "troll" term you seem to have directed at me, I think it is inaccurate, since I don't live under a bridge and devour hapless villagers. Lighten up dude. Check with your local community college, and see if they offer courses like " Developing a sense of humor, even if you are a literal-minded belligerent dullard".
Yeap
Yeap
My guess is that you are an untenured adjunct, one of those retired technical or marketing types so often employed by open admissions community colleges. Many of these institutions take advantage of intellectually enfeebled retirees, paying them only three or four hundred per credit hour. Perhaps I am wrong, yeaping to unwarranted conclusions.
What is "yeap"? Is this a regional variant of "yep"?
Another thing: is "begone" part of your normal spoken vocabulary? Do you sometimes couple it with "knave" or "varlet"?
I notice that you ignored the substance of my reply to your initial post, the one suggesting I scan upward to this forum's title. Instead, you choose to focus on my community college suggestion, making it clear that you taught a class at one of those places. It hath a pretentious smack.
Seriously, though, I wish you'd confine your comments to issues connected with seahorses and pipefishes. Just scan up and check out the name of this forum.
Yeap
My guess is that you are an untenured adjunct, one of those retired technical or marketing types so often employed by open admissions community colleges. Many of these institutions take advantage of intellectually enfeebled retirees, paying them only three or four hundred per credit hour. Perhaps I am wrong, yeaping to unwarranted conclusions.
What is "yeap"? Is this a regional variant of "yep"?
Another thing: is "begone" part of your normal spoken vocabulary? Do you sometimes couple it with "knave" or "varlet"?
I notice that you ignored the substance of my reply to your initial post, the one suggesting I scan upward to this forum's title. Instead, you choose to focus on my community college suggestion, making it clear that you taught a class at one of those places. It hath a pretentious smack.
Seriously, though, I wish you'd confine your comments to issues connected with seahorses and pipefishes. Just scan up and check out the name of this forum.
cutsupremetrib
In Memoriam
wow what a post LOL
TankFabricator
New member
woah
woah
Hugs... not hate
woah
Hugs... not hate
RichConley
New member
Re: hmm
Re: hmm
I've seen them in 2 places, New England Aquarium, and The Shedd, and in both, the tanks were 1000g+, NEAQ being a tank that was an ~6' circle, and 6-8 feet deep.
So I completely disagree.
Re: hmm
I've seen them in 2 places, New England Aquarium, and The Shedd, and in both, the tanks were 1000g+, NEAQ being a tank that was an ~6' circle, and 6-8 feet deep.
So I completely disagree.
RichConley
New member
And honestly, I agree with the 'troll.' Horsies are just specialized fish, and honestly aren't that difficult to keep. People seem to get all silly when theyre concerned.
Hi I keep and have permits export dragons in Australia so thought may clear up a few things,
Leafies are highly protected but there are permits for a couple of persons to take gravid males once a year to raise and sell they are I think only allowed to take 1 and this must be returned to the area where it was collected.
These are genrally the leafies you see in public aquaria
Weedies have been captive breed and raised by a few persons for a number of years and can be exported and are currently not under cities and there are some allowed to taken from the wild under special permits genrally for brood stock.
There are a few public aquariums including the one here in Melbourne that a completed the cycle by breeding young from captive raised animals.
They do seem to fair better in depper tanks ours are 6 foot .
If you have any questions please email at oceanreef@aanet.com.au
Regards Steve
Leafies are highly protected but there are permits for a couple of persons to take gravid males once a year to raise and sell they are I think only allowed to take 1 and this must be returned to the area where it was collected.
These are genrally the leafies you see in public aquaria
Weedies have been captive breed and raised by a few persons for a number of years and can be exported and are currently not under cities and there are some allowed to taken from the wild under special permits genrally for brood stock.
There are a few public aquariums including the one here in Melbourne that a completed the cycle by breeding young from captive raised animals.
They do seem to fair better in depper tanks ours are 6 foot .
If you have any questions please email at oceanreef@aanet.com.au
Regards Steve
RichConley,
I sort of understand this perception: Your yellow tang "kicks the bucket", but your seahorse "passes away". Your mandarin goby "won't eat" while your seahorse "is pining away" There is definately some anthropomorphism going on with some people and seahorses...not sure why, they certainly do not possess the typical attributes that engender this response in humans - round face, cuddly, etc.
I'm working on a magazine article about breeding seahorses in home aquariums and I was really trying to avoid the whole "cutesy" thing - but I did end up writing how cute the babies are, and how that can sometimes affect people's judgement (as in trying to raise 300 larval horses when you only have food to feed 50).
That said, I actually have four leafy seadragons in my care. They are about 18 months old, not quite adult size and they are in a 100 gallon tank. We will need to move them to a 500 gallon tank by the end of the year (mainly to give them more water depth in the hopes to get them to breed). One of the females released infertile eggs a few weeks ago.
Jay Hemdal
I sort of understand this perception: Your yellow tang "kicks the bucket", but your seahorse "passes away". Your mandarin goby "won't eat" while your seahorse "is pining away" There is definately some anthropomorphism going on with some people and seahorses...not sure why, they certainly do not possess the typical attributes that engender this response in humans - round face, cuddly, etc.
I'm working on a magazine article about breeding seahorses in home aquariums and I was really trying to avoid the whole "cutesy" thing - but I did end up writing how cute the babies are, and how that can sometimes affect people's judgement (as in trying to raise 300 larval horses when you only have food to feed 50).
That said, I actually have four leafy seadragons in my care. They are about 18 months old, not quite adult size and they are in a 100 gallon tank. We will need to move them to a 500 gallon tank by the end of the year (mainly to give them more water depth in the hopes to get them to breed). One of the females released infertile eggs a few weeks ago.
Jay Hemdal
TamiW
Seahorse Wrangler
(adding to the derail)
I agree on the cutesy names. It can get under my skin sometimes, and as a whole makes seahorse hobbyists harder to take seriously. (Though I still do refer to hitching posts as hitching posts.)
Its not just in the hobby though; I'm positive that the reason Project Seahorse gets so much attention is because of the cutesy perception the public has of seahorses. There are many animals that need more protection but seahorses win because they catch the public's interests.
It unfortunately also has the side affect of some hobbyists not addressing the real issues when they're fish are sick - I have seen it happen many times. For instance, a mate dies, and the other "dies of loneliness" when in all likelihood it died from the same thing that killed the other.
[/derail]
Jay, if one weren't interested in breeding, could you keep leafies in a 100 gallon long term? That's actually bordering on a reasonable sized tank for many people.
I agree on the cutesy names. It can get under my skin sometimes, and as a whole makes seahorse hobbyists harder to take seriously. (Though I still do refer to hitching posts as hitching posts.)
Its not just in the hobby though; I'm positive that the reason Project Seahorse gets so much attention is because of the cutesy perception the public has of seahorses. There are many animals that need more protection but seahorses win because they catch the public's interests.
It unfortunately also has the side affect of some hobbyists not addressing the real issues when they're fish are sick - I have seen it happen many times. For instance, a mate dies, and the other "dies of loneliness" when in all likelihood it died from the same thing that killed the other.
[/derail]
Jay, if one weren't interested in breeding, could you keep leafies in a 100 gallon long term? That's actually bordering on a reasonable sized tank for many people.
I'm not certain that it would be appropriate to keep four leafies in a 100 gallon tank - maybe one or two would be o.k. for the long term. The exhibit we have them in now was designed to be a temporary display from April 2005 until October 2005. It then got extended to October 2006.
Each year around February, two major dealers in Japan get Leafies in from Australia (young of the year). My understanding is that they will sell to hobbyists, but the cost is around $3000 each plus shipping. We opted to import our animals direct from Australia. from the grower there.
Jay
Each year around February, two major dealers in Japan get Leafies in from Australia (young of the year). My understanding is that they will sell to hobbyists, but the cost is around $3000 each plus shipping. We opted to import our animals direct from Australia. from the grower there.
Jay
TamiW
Seahorse Wrangler
Thanks for the answer!
I personally am not interested; nor think I would ever be interested (too much work!) but I just find it interesting that it would even be possible in a tank that is available as a standard size; say a 125 or 180. Interesting.
And I had a friend who was desperately interested in them a few years ago - he may even have talked to the suppliers you describe as the price he was quoted was around $3000 for a leafy and $1000 for a weedy. At the time he asked me for help, and all I could find was nothing less that a 500 gallon would do.
I personally am not interested; nor think I would ever be interested (too much work!) but I just find it interesting that it would even be possible in a tank that is available as a standard size; say a 125 or 180. Interesting.
And I had a friend who was desperately interested in them a few years ago - he may even have talked to the suppliers you describe as the price he was quoted was around $3000 for a leafy and $1000 for a weedy. At the time he asked me for help, and all I could find was nothing less that a 500 gallon would do.
pledosophy
Active member
Jay curious as to your occupationand involvement in the hobby to be caring for Leafy's. Care to share?
pledosophy
Active member
WOW very cool. Nice to have someone like you on the boards.
What Aquarium do you work at now?
What Aquarium do you work at now?
