Does size matter? frag size that is.

Waterobert

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I have been getting sps frags and I am wondering if size of the frag makes any difference. Smaller is always cheaper and it will take longer for it to grow to the size of colony. I can wait. I hate to pay $50-75 for the frag which is 1/2 inch taller than the one for $30. Are larger frags hardier?Thanks.
 
I got a piece of Oregon Tort that was maybe 3/8" by far the smallest frag ive gotten and its fully encrusted the superglue and starting to grow verticaly.

I was pretty worried about it making it since it was so small i figured it would die but its doing just great. Of course the only down side is you have to wait a lot longer for it to grow to a descent size. But thats most of the fun for me. Never been into buying colonies and calling them my own :)
 
My smallest is 1/2",however I got it for $20, so no complains. I can't believe that people would pay hundreds of $ for 1/2" chalice. Are they fast growing?
 
i wouldnt say a larger frag is any hardier than a smaller frag just most people dont want to wait as long but i have seen tiny frags turn in to nice peices also f it has started to encrust then it should be fine no matter the size.
 
a larger would probably be less hardy according to my logic since it has been settled in a different environment for a longer period of time but its not an issue i'd worry about buying small can also be better because its easier to detect pests with small frags than large colonies and watching them encrust is also fun
 
a 2" frag will grow almost twice as fast as a 1" frag. Infact if you made that 2" frag into 2 x 1" frags...IT WILL grow twice as fast. SPS grow is near exponential.
 
from my experience when i get a small frags the frag never grows, it encrusts and shoots out new branches that never stops. a larger frag will continue growing so it would be much faster since it already has the large branches
 
Not being an expert, but having some what of an experience with this, I am a firm believer in purchasing slightly larger pieces, never maricultured, but over the 1 inch frags if I can. There are two reasons for this- the first is the obvious reasons of "law of compound". Initial chunk of money, or "coral" up front WILL collect, and grow with much more "growth" ( in reef term) and "interest " (monetarily speaking) over time. If you started with a one inch frag with a couple of arms, as opposed to a slightly bigger with .. say... six to eight arms. Chances are, in six months from purchase date, you would have many more arms on the slightly bigger, and by then, who knows- you could have seeded off and fragged a couple for your buddies and still have a great looking piece without compromising the now " mini-colony". Now, the smaller one might be a little while longer before even the thought of " fragging " comes around.
Second, I read an article a while back discussing the survival rate of frags versus "larger frags" . ( sept/oct issue of Reef &marine aquarium Magazine, Article "How large should a coral fragment be?" pg 81) From what this article/ research states, larger Acropora frags survive and grow faster than smaller frags. That being stated, they also conducted multiple tests -of them, one was- frags glued underwater, as well as out of water. The survival rate of frags (2.5cm , or roughly 1inch) glued out of water had approx. 20% survival rate, where as frags slightly larger (3.5cm, or roughly 1.5 inch) had a survival rate of 80% or more. They also conducted the same test with same sizes, but glued them underwater, and both came out to near 90% survival rate. Now, I don't know EXACTLY which acropora specie they experimented on, but even in the home aquaria, I find that that rule generally applies.
 
I believe the study you are referencing was conducted on the Caribbean acroporid A. cervicornis. And yes, there is some good information there - but remember... they are working on a VERY delicate species - Caribbean staghorn coral, AND they are working in the wild - more predators, diseases, environmental hazards, etc. I'm not saying that this study is not applicable to captivity, but they also try to only fragment their corals in the winter time as opposed to the summer - summer fragmentation leads to MUCH higher mortality than winter.

Anyway, yes, b/c there are more polyps and more surface area, a larger frag will grow faster - all things being equal, AND you have more of a buffer in case RTN or STN hits the frag. But that wasn't the questions posed.

But, is a 1" frag necessarily hardier - or perhaps I should say SIGNIFICANTLY hardier than a 1/2" frag? It's a good question. I would think it is possible, b/c the distal polyps (near the tip of the colony) are going to be younger, and the deeper polyps in the brach will be older; the older polyps being more mature will have had more time to accumulate lipids (energy stores) and more zooxanthellae - but again, where is the dividing line for statistically significant "hardiness?" Is there a difference in 1" vs 1/2" survival? I don't know, but I would be inclined to think that there is not much difference.

Really, what I try to avoid is buying the "fresh-cut frags." I feel much more comfortable spending more money on a frag that has time to heal before purchase ESPECIALLY if that coral has to endure a lengthy shipping process.

Cheers
Mike
 
Really, what I try to avoid is buying the "fresh-cut frags." I feel much more comfortable spending more money on a frag that has time to heal before purchase ESPECIALLY if that coral has to endure a lengthy shipping process.

Cheers
Mike

I haven't started to buy frag's for my new tank yet (new to SPS corals) but this really makes since to me. My plan is to contact a few of the reefers in the forum that I will be buying from, see if I can pre pay for the corals, have them cut and have plenty of time for them to heal and start to encrust before they are shipped to me. You just can't be in a hurry in this hobby, know who you are buying from and you have no worries.
 
My friend broke one little tip off his bonsai and gave it to me. I super glued it onto a plug and I enjoyed watching it grow and grow. If I'm paying for something, I prefer to see it encrusted on to a base of some sort. Usually will only get this when buying WYSIWYG frags. ORA frags are always encrusted, unfortunately the ORA plugs are ginormous.
 
I would say it depends on the acro, but in my experience, sub-1" frags tend to go into "survival mode" and stop all vertical growth for months - nearly a year before throwing new branches whereas larger frags begin branching growth soon after mounting. I have, however, seen other people turn 1/2" frags into full colonies in less than one year. Interestingly, these people usually ran their parameters on the high side (alk above 10, ca above 440). As far as small frags actually dying more frequently, I don't notice this.
 
well I took a gamble and bought 3 pieces one was a nub like frag and the other two encrusting 2 inch pieces well the nub didn't make it seems i always loose the sticks..good luck with your frags
 
Tiny frags for me always do worse that bigger ones. 2'' seems like the best size from my experience. I won't buy frags less than 1''.
 
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