Does this look like AEFW?

salty55

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Ok, this has got me ready to pull my hair out. I have been keeping SPS for 5 years and never had problems keeping them before now! (expcept for a dino outbreak 1.5 years ago that wiped out nearly everything in less than a week)

I completely tore my tank down and started over from scratch. my freshly redone 75 gallon DT has been setting here, quietly maturing for the last year or so, coral free.
I set up a new 40 breeder for a frag tank about six months ago and transfered the dino free surviver corals to it.
Then I started collecting much wanted frags from various places, dipping them in brightwells medi coral, and placing them in the frag tank.
EVERYTHING was doing extremely well. the old survivers, and the new arrivals. growth and polyp extension was out of this world! colors were being maintained as they were when purchased on the colorful pieces, and the somewhat drab pieces were making marked improvements week by week.
then I came home one day to find a green milli frag had rtn'd in less than 24 hrs. by the next day it was completely gone. I didn't fret about this too much since I have had this happen on a few pieces in the past, although rarely. I have seriously only lost 2, maybe three pieces of sps in my 5 years of reefkeeping.

then over the next couple weeks the events just kept escalating. one frag after another would lose polyp extension, fade or bleach, then start rtn'ing. some in patchy areas around the base, some all the way around the base. I could not find anything out of whack and went through every parameter, and through everything I could think of that could be causing this stress (keep in mind I'm an experienced reefkeeper before you ask me If I have high no3 or po4 levels, lol) and I couldn't find anything!
my only thoughts at the time was there must my something lacking in my frag tank. too clean? maybe the corals were starving? so, I fragged all the struggling, faded pieces, gave them another dip in brightwells, and starting stocking my DT with frags.
I also started feeding both tanks twice weekly, one day with a week with oyster feast, the other with a homemade recipe.
all pieces were looking a lot better after that. the display tank had been stocked for 6 weeks everything was encrusting and growing more each day. then, I came home to a red planet frag rtn'd 3/4 of the way! then a blue milli, then a oregon tort, and now today, a purple milli! the problem has mostly been millepora species, but has plagued a few other as well. digi, monti, and birdnest has been un-affected.
This leads me to believe i may have a (gulp) AEFW infanstation! I have never encountered them before, so Im not 100% of all the signs. of course, I have inspected for them. but, I know they can be very hard to spot. and that iodine based dips will not kill them.
I will attach a crappy cell phone pic to see if the blotchy, dead base of todays victom looks like it may be getting eaten by AEFW's.
 
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Does not look like aefw.I would double check all para.Also have a friend or lfs confirm test results just encase you have a bad test kit.
 
Trust me, parameters have been triple checked. And then checked again. Refractometer has been calibrated with calibration solution before each use, apex ph probe has been calibrated, and double checked with calabrated handheld hanna monitor, so has temp. Phospate<.02ppm, nitrates are nearly undetectable. Calcium 440-460, alk 8-10, mag 1300.
 
ugh, I just noticed I have a green mille in the frag tank that has stn'd since yesterday! I dont know whether to cry, screem or quite!
 
40 gallon frag tank and 75 gallon display were both purchased new. IF i had copper it would have to be coming from my house plumbing, and somehow getting past my rodi.
 
Alk doesnt swing fast or on constant basis. 8 is the lowest i have written in my reef log, and 10 is the highest. This is over a six month period.
 
How long have you had the Apex controlled LED's and is that the only light you have? Maybe to strong or close. Just throwing suggestions check to see how long they are running and that there not coming back or something you would be unaware of. Is your frag tank light the same as your Display? The last time I had this happen and parameters were not an issue 100% no swings nothing. I turned to equipment and after many months of losing sps frag after frag I changed my bulbs... never had that issue since. Not saying this is the case, but worth looking into.
 
do you mount all your grags with epoxy only? as this one appears in the photo?

when the epoxy is mixed and is hardening it gets hot, you could be burning the coral from the base up.
 
do you mount all your grags with epoxy only? as this one appears in the photo?

when the epoxy is mixed and is hardening it gets hot, you could be burning the coral from the base up.

This crossed my mind too. But, the mille i lost yesterday was superglued to a frag plug as i received it from lfs. It had actually completely encrusted over the superglue. It receded in the area where i fragged a piece off to put in my DT, and the mother went to the frag tank. I would say infection in the fragged area, but it was completely healed and growing back. You couldnt even tell it had been fragged in that area.
 
How long have you had the Apex controlled LED's and is that the only light you have? Maybe to strong or close. Just throwing suggestions check to see how long they are running and that there not coming back or something you would be unaware of. Is your frag tank light the same as your Display? The last time I had this happen and parameters were not an issue 100% no swings nothing. I turned to equipment and after many months of losing sps frag after frag I changed my bulbs... never had that issue since. Not saying this is the case, but worth looking into.

14 cree led on a linear strip, no optics. +4 t5, all mounted appx ten inches above water in display tank. Led come on at 9:00 a.m. and have a two hour ramp up. T5 come on at 3:00 pm and on unitl 9:00 p.m. one hour rampdown on led to turn off at 10:00pm.
250 watt 12k reeflux in lumenbright mini, galaxy balast mounted 24 inches above water in the 40 gallon breeder frag tank. Bulb is about 5the months old. I still feel the light is a little much on the frag tank. I have moved frags to outer edges of the tank where the light is less intense. It didnt seem to help much.
 
Its hard for me to blame this on lighting, flow, feeding, or TYPICAL water parameters since i have this problem in two tanks.
It has GOT to be an undiscovered pest that cannot be killed by dipping in brightwells medi-coral, but everyone says it doesnt look like AEFW damage.
I was thinking that maybe the dip itself may be too harsh and stressing them and causing stn. But if this was the case why would they encrust and grow so well, then start deteriorating?
Another suspesion is something in my rodi water they dont like. My water has just started testing 2ppm TDS with handheld tester, and still showing 0ppm with inline TDS meter on the filter unit. It has been six months since all filters were changed.
 
In you second picture. It shows a frag encrusting nicely. I don't see the problem. Do you have a better image? The tissue is really thin there because it's new but it looks normal to me. Over your corals are pretty browned out, so it's definitely some parameter, lighting, or flow that's off.

Also, your rocks seem pretty bare, no coraline growth, that also seems to indicate something is off.

I would recommend having someone local test all your parameters with their kits. I'm thinking that one of your kits are bad, your temp is off, or your salinity is off.

I myself just had a big ordeal with salinity and temp. My temp probe was reading off by 5 degrees and my brand-new bottle of salinity calibration solution was bad.
 
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