Does this look like clownfish ich?
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ThRoewer
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He is a lonely castaway in a tiny puddle of water who will likely never see any other individual of his species again - how happy would you be in his place?
Yes, fish are not "happy", that is a people thing that applies to some people.
Haha. Maybe he feels safer not being in a big scary ocean with predators.
Is this leading to a debate on whether fish have feelings?
Ok, can I say it looks calm and unstressed?
Sure. Fish "feel" fear as in intimidation. Fish have basic needs for security, food and reproduction.
ThRoewer
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Which is why you should make an effort to keep your fish only in pairs or groups.
I definitely do not agree with this. Some fish (e.g. as anthias), will tolerate groups, other fish will not tolerate more than one of the same species.
ThRoewer
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Which would that be?
FraggledRock
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Ich. Qt time.
I don't understand. Does that mean you do not want experts to answer your questions?
On the other hand, if you do not wish to see my posts or those of any other member, simply add them to your IGNORE list and presto, they magically disappear.
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Clowny88
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ecksreef... I'm in the same position. My clown showed about 5 spots or so and now nothing for weeks, never a major outbreak and I have no idea where the ich could have come from... LFS had this guy in a copper tank and I qt'ed. I'm debating fallow tank, QT, QT with treatment, etc. He is the only "host" in a 45 gallon tank. I've done some rock work changes and things that stressed him and I have seen no return yet.
Everyone has differing opinions on this... But I'm leaving him for observation in the DT for now and don't plan to add anything new for months. That being said, the fact that it keeps re-appearing in your tank means ich is surviving, going through its life cycle, and connecting again with the clowns... It may not be a major outbreak, but as long as it is surviving and repopulating, I'd expect a tank outbreak at some point... ESPECIALLY with a tang.
Just my thoughts.
Everyone has differing opinions on this... But I'm leaving him for observation in the DT for now and don't plan to add anything new for months. That being said, the fact that it keeps re-appearing in your tank means ich is surviving, going through its life cycle, and connecting again with the clowns... It may not be a major outbreak, but as long as it is surviving and repopulating, I'd expect a tank outbreak at some point... ESPECIALLY with a tang.
Just my thoughts.
jbvdhp
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Steve, I think you took my post in the wrong manner.
i look forward to your advice. My post was in response to the someone saying their thread was hi jacked. Obviously there's discussion amongst you and the other gent, hence i said that's what happens when you have experts in the field. No offense was meant to you or the other guy, unless you don't like being called an expert?
jbvdhp
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The thread ran off in a little tangent, but that's what happens when there is discussion and experts in the field...
I hope that clears that up!
ThRoewer
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:fun2:
Sometimes things develop a life of their own ...
Maybe we should start a new threat (or a mod can split it off)
That is part of my point: species that are usually found in pairs or social groups in the wild should be kept as such in the tank.
if you can't keep them as such in your tank then you shouldn't keep them until you have a tank where you can.
But if you can keep 2 angelfish or butterflies of different species you can also keep a pair of one. I kept such fish as Pygoplites diacanthus or Chelmon rostratus successfully in pairs in rather small tanks (750 liter & 500 liter).
Dwarf angels are for sure the easiest angels to be paired up and some species should only be kept in pairs or groups or they go crazy over time (Centropyge argi for example).
And there is hardly any excuse for intentionally keeping single specimen of such easily paired fish like clownfish, mandarins, pipefish and seahorses.
I also kept pretty much all my dottybacks, jawfish, marine betas, gramas, gobies and damsels in pairs. In general, if you know what to look for, you can tell male from female.
One of the local stores here in Fremont has a pair of hawk fish, and I have seen people keeping another species - the long nose hawkfish - in pairs. That shows that these species can be kept in pairs as well.
I only kept 2 tangs (as a beginner) as singles but know of several aquarists in Germany that keep at least Paracanthurus and Zebrasoma species in pairs or groups.
Of course there are some fish where it is hard to keep them as pairs because they either get way too big or only pair up at certain times for spawning. Those are species I would avoid keeping in a tank.
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