Downsizing??? Really???

Just about everything seems to fluoresce better than sps. I am not having much luck with acros but some of the other sps is doing ok. Our zoas are doing well as are the favia, chalice and monitis. We have no acans or blasto and are thinking about a few of those. Have you had those? We we get a frag we immediately take it off the plug and put it on a small rock, which some day will grow on to the larger rocks.
 
Yesterday I did another water change and I'm still skimming at a slightly elevated rate. The skimmer is more foam than bubbles and they hold together and last longer than what I'm used to. But the water is very clear now.

I've pulled 90% the dead sps and 100% of the softies. There are a few sps that may recover. So far I haven't found but a few dead fish. The rock flower anemones were all open after just a day or two. The zoas were all open yesterday, and the RBTA's were more open than they have been. But still not as much as normal. I think that's the best sign I have that things are much better in the tank.

I never saw any ammonia or nitrate spike, but I have changed out 100+ gallons of water over the past 5 days. I ordered 2 tangs and 2 lawnmorrower blennies to try and help with some hairy algae in both tanks. Yesterday I also started running only the blue and violet leds. The corals open normally and fluoresce, so they look good, but the algae doesn't get the white/red spectrum it needs to grow. I'll probably run it all blue for a week.

Today I'll do some more rock and coral removal from the 125g. That way I can get the last few sps and lps out of the 125g and move them to the 50g cube. The 125g will be all zoas and anemones. This process will allow me to look for more dead bodies and to rearrange the rock structure for better display of the zoas. My old design was kind of low and flat to allow for the sps to grow up. Now I'll build the rocks up using smaller rocks. That should allow for better viewing of the zoas and allow me to pull a rock every now and then to sell off and replace with a new rock with a new zoa frag. Hopefully this strategy works out OK.

I'll post up some pics of the tank as it is now, with most of the sps and softies out. It actually doesn't look too bad. There are a few pretty nice size colonies of zoas. The hammer and frogspawn are doing better as well. When I get the new rock design done and things get settled down, I'll post up some more pics.
 
I gave up quarantining years ago. Even the stuff I bring home wild caught in the Gulf of Mexico or in the Florida Keys goes directly into the tank. Been doing it that way for 10 years and the only issues I've ever had is aiptasia and flat worms. And both of those infestations came in on frags from local friends I trusted! LOL!
 
I prepped the 50g cube by pulling almost everything out of the tank. I'll create a new rock structure and start moving the few sps survivors in the 125g DT and the sps frags from my shallow reef tank into the cube.

I picked up a very small royal gramma, a small purple basslet and 2 small clowns. They all seem to be doing fine this morning. Tangs and blennies will be delivered today.
 
You sure don't waste anytime restocking:) What kind of clowns? A royal gramma, black cap purple basslet and two darwin clowns is what I started with. Now after my fluke epidemic I am down to the clowns but plan on getting an african midas blenny and a new royal gramma as soon as my qt tank finishes a cycle. I am also going to do the ttm. In the past I never quarantined thinking the lfs or dd was good enough. I don't think a quarantine would have helped me with the flukes since they did not show up for 2 1/2 months. They may have been on a frag, assuming that is possible.
 
I went cheap all the way. The clowns are ordinary ocellaris that were on sale for $12 each. Heck, the royal gramma was $6. But it's really tiny. The blennies and tangs arrived today. The sailfin tang in the big tank and the scopas tang in the cube and a lawn mower blenny in each!

The good news is I stated removing the sps and lps corals that survived out of the 125g tank. When I pulled out a big flat rock I found both sea cucumbers and a couple shrimp (a golden Coral banded and a cleaner. I had 2 of each and they may be alive under more rocks. My big purple star has survived, but the tips of his arms don't look good. If'when I get the chance I'll pull it and keep it in a tank where I can watch over it.

I've started to prep rock (I dill holes for frag plugs) and assemble a structure in the 50g cube and I've moved about 15 corals over. A few are from the shallow reef in the bedroom and one is the big frog spawn from the 125g. I can see this is going to be a fairly long process. It wears me out after a couple of hours and it seems like I've hardly made any progress. Oh, and I just found a green bubble tip anemone I didn't even know I had in Hannibal's 25g tank (the Hawaiian reef lobster).

Tomorrow will be a difficult day as the stones that are left are well attached to large rocks in the 125g tank.
 
JTL, progress is being made... slowly. Life has been busy the last few weeks. 100% of the dead corals are out and 75% of the surviving sps corals are out. A couple look to be recovering and I'm leaving them in the tank so as not to shock them any more.

youcallmenny, thanks for the good thoughts. Actually, if I end up shutting down the back room tanks, 65g shallow reef/frag tank and a 25g with a red Hawaiian reef lobster, I'll have enough corals to make both the main DT's look OK.

I promise I'll get to photos on Thursday. I have to because I'll be doing auto-x all weekend with the new Toyota 86!
 
It's been a very productive 3 weeks since my last post.

Algae and cyano blooms are going away. I've moved the last of my current crop of zoas from the shallow reef (going away soon) to the 125g main DT. I've fragged and mounted all the big lps and sps corals that I had and I've been selling off the frags and some 'extra' rose bubble tip anemones. The 50g cube is more stable with less algae issues.

The sure sign things are getting better happened last night, we had snail eggs hatch! I have about 20 Astrea snails that were collected in the Keys and have survived 'the big chill'. And this morning, besides 75% of the adult snails on the glass, there were also over 70 tiny baby Astrea snails! That may be no big deal to some, but it's the first time I've been aware of it in one of my tanks. And not that long after such a big die off of sps coral, softie corals and all the fish and shrimp.
 
Hi Ron. I just finished reading through your thread and I loved your write up and your tanks. I am sorry to hear about your chiller mishap, but glad you are rebuilding your 125.

I found my way to your thread from the Reefbreeders forum. I have a 48" photon V 2 and was reading many of your informative advice on settings.

I just purchased a Cadlights Artisian 165 and I can't wait to for it to get here. Have you been happy with your tank overall? I had a 30g Cadlights tank many years ago that was great.

I will be moving the contents of my 95g reef into the new tank once it is set up and settled. This will be my first tank larger than 100g so it should be fun. I will be getting the AI Hydra 26 HD lighting as the tank comes with 3 of these. I am thinking I will also use my photon alsoonce I move everything over. Any tips on setting up the plumbing? Did you use everything that came with the tank? Thanks.
 
Congratulations on the new, bigger tank! I'm quite happy with the quality of the Cadlight tank and stand. I did make a couple of improvements though.

I didn't just screw the front supports into the base. I drilled out bigger holes in the stand and added metal threaded fittings. I had concerns about how well it would hold together if I had to remove the braces for work on the sump (which I'm upgrading now). I was also thinking that if the wood got wet, the threads in the wood could get soft. So it was just a small concern and it was easy to rectify with threaded inserts. BTW, my sump was a very poor design IMHO, but it looks like your bigger sump has a much more usable design. I'd be turning that center section into a refugium or moving the skimmer to the center (if it fits) and doing the refugium at the skimmers old section.

And I can't emphasis enough how much the 'drip tray' has been a good thing! I have a remote collection cup for the skimmer and it's inside the stand, but outside of the sump. It's overflowed a couple of times and the drip tray saved a mess. BTW, I'd highly recommend an auto top off for your system if you plan to use the Cadlight skimmer. Mine is VERY fussy about water height. Just slightly low water level and virtually no skimming at all. Slightly high water level and the skimmer runs like a fire hose! That's why my remote collection cup overflowed.

I didn't use any of the Cadlight plumbing as it's metric and I had way more plumbing to do than a basic set up. I have the second tank (50g cube), a chiller (yes, the killer chiller), a reactor for carbon or GFO and an outlet for a hose to pump water out of the system when doing water changes. The Cadlight stuff looks like real good quality, but I needed a lot more and buying metric is just out of the question. I also took the time to order gate valves from Graingers rather than ball valves from Home Depot or Lowes. They are so much better at control and they don't 'freeze up' like ball valves seem to do over time in saltwater systems.

The one thing I let others talk me out of, that I now wish I had gone ahead and done. is drilling an extra drain to feed the skimmer directly. I used one of the existing holes for an emergency drain and now I can pump water into the tank way faster than I can drain water out (without using the emergency drain). I've feed skimmers this way in the past. Not only does the skimmer work well (with a gate valve to control flow), but it adds drainage from the tank so I could circulate more through the system.

If you run into any issues or have any questions at all, feel free to ask here or send me a PM. I'm always happy to share ideas.

BTW, the tank seems to be doing much better now. I just ordered 12 zoas, 2 palys and 2 rook flower anemones from Cultivated Reef while they are doing their Black Friday Sale. My hope is that in a year I'll have a tank with zoas, palys, and anemones everywhere and the 50g cube will be full of growing sps and lps survivors from the Killer Chiller Fiasco! :thumbsup:
 
Hi Ron. I just finished reading through your thread and I loved your write up and your tanks. I am sorry to hear about your chiller mishap, but glad you are rebuilding your 125.

I found my way to your thread from the Reefbreeders forum. I have a 48" photon V 2 and was reading many of your informative advice on settings.

I just purchased a Cadlights Artisian 165 and I can't wait to for it to get here. Have you been happy with your tank overall? I had a 30g Cadlights tank many years ago that was great.

I will be moving the contents of my 95g reef into the new tank once it is set up and settled. This will be my first tank larger than 100g so it should be fun. I will be getting the AI Hydra 26 HD lighting as the tank comes with 3 of these. I am thinking I will also use my photon alsoonce I move everything over. Any tips on setting up the plumbing? Did you use everything that came with the tank? Thanks.

I have the Cadlights 100, but I chose to build my own stand to my specs. It has the modern European look and I built it from 3/4" birch plywood with no 2x4's. Sealed inside with 2 coats of clear epoxy. I think there is a pic in my profile. I also built my sump and sized it to completely fill the cabinet. Then I sealed around the edges. There is no way water can go any where but in the sump.

I also have the Photon v2. It has been running for 4 months but I am still messing with the settings, in fact I just raised the intensity last night.

I used the Cadlights metrc bulkheads but I modified them to accept 1", 3/4" and 1/2" pipe. I use the 1"for my drain, 3/4" for my return and the 1/2" for my safety drain. Ideally the safety should at least as big as the main drain but that was not possible. I divert some water from my drain to my refugium and some water from my return line to supply my carbon reactor. I also could dump some return water into my refugium but there is no need at this point. All of the flow is regulated by gate valves.
 
Congratulations on the new, bigger tank! I'm quite happy with the quality of the Cadlight tank and stand. I did make a couple of improvements though.

I didn't just screw the front supports into the base. I drilled out bigger holes in the stand and added metal threaded fittings. I had concerns about how well it would hold together if I had to remove the braces for work on the sump (which I'm upgrading now). I was also thinking that if the wood got wet, the threads in the wood could get soft. So it was just a small concern and it was easy to rectify with threaded inserts. BTW, my sump was a very poor design IMHO, but it looks like your bigger sump has a much more usable design. I'd be turning that center section into a refugium or moving the skimmer to the center (if it fits) and doing the refugium at the skimmers old section.

And I can't emphasis enough how much the 'drip tray' has been a good thing! I have a remote collection cup for the skimmer and it's inside the stand, but outside of the sump. It's overflowed a couple of times and the drip tray saved a mess. BTW, I'd highly recommend an auto top off for your system if you plan to use the Cadlight skimmer. Mine is VERY fussy about water height. Just slightly low water level and virtually no skimming at all. Slightly high water level and the skimmer runs like a fire hose! That's why my remote collection cup overflowed.

I didn't use any of the Cadlight plumbing as it's metric and I had way more plumbing to do than a basic set up. I have the second tank (50g cube), a chiller (yes, the killer chiller), a reactor for carbon or GFO and an outlet for a hose to pump water out of the system when doing water changes. The Cadlight stuff looks like real good quality, but I needed a lot more and buying metric is just out of the question. I also took the time to order gate valves from Graingers rather than ball valves from Home Depot or Lowes. They are so much better at control and they don't 'freeze up' like ball valves seem to do over time in saltwater systems.

The one thing I let others talk me out of, that I now wish I had gone ahead and done. is drilling an extra drain to feed the skimmer directly. I used one of the existing holes for an emergency drain and now I can pump water into the tank way faster than I can drain water out (without using the emergency drain). I've feed skimmers this way in the past. Not only does the skimmer work well (with a gate valve to control flow), but it adds drainage from the tank so I could circulate more through the system.

If you run into any issues or have any questions at all, feel free to ask here or send me a PM. I'm always happy to share ideas.

BTW, the tank seems to be doing much better now. I just ordered 12 zoas, 2 palys and 2 rook flower anemones from Cultivated Reef while they are doing their Black Friday Sale. My hope is that in a year I'll have a tank with zoas, palys, and anemones everywhere and the 50g cube will be full of growing sps and lps survivors from the Killer Chiller Fiasco! :thumbsup:

Thanks for your tips Ron. I will be getting the AquaMaxx Cone-S Q-3 Protein skimmer with my tank. I have heard good things about it so I am hoping it will be an improvement over the Cad Lights skimmer. I will be using the Ice Cap ATO so my water level should stay fairly level in the sump.

I will probably just use the stock plumbing as my set up will be rather simple. I will run a couple of reactors and have a cryptic fuge I think. I have always wanted to experiment with that. I am planning to start out using kalkwasser in my ATO to manage calc/alk and see how that works over time.

I am glad to hear things are improving with your tank. It was your tank that got me looking into the Artisian line and I decided to go big! I'll do a tank
journal once I actually have the tank.

I appreciate all the time you take in helping others out on this forum. Thank you.
 
I have the Cadlights 100, but I chose to build my own stand to my specs. It has the modern European look and I built it from 3/4" birch plywood with no 2x4's. Sealed inside with 2 coats of clear epoxy. I think there is a pic in my profile. I also built my sump and sized it to completely fill the cabinet. Then I sealed around the edges. There is no way water can go any where but in the sump.

I also have the Photon v2. It has been running for 4 months but I am still messing with the settings, in fact I just raised the intensity last night.

I used the Cadlights metrc bulkheads but I modified them to accept 1", 3/4" and 1/2" pipe. I use the 1"for my drain, 3/4" for my return and the 1/2" for my safety drain. Ideally the safety should at least as big as the main drain but that was not possible. I divert some water from my drain to my refugium and some water from my return line to supply my carbon reactor. I also could dump some return water into my refugium but there is no need at this point. All of the flow is regulated by gate valves.

Thank you for the details on your plumbing. I think I am just going to keep things simple and use the supplied plumbing. I will have a couple of reactors but they will have their own pumps. I am looking forward to having more space to really let my corals grow out.
 
Very nice build there Ron! I enjoyed your buildup and wife loves the aqua scape. We have been looking at upgrading from our 90 gal bow front to a larger tank, which besides the increase in footprint is also a considerable budgetary concern. I have been looking seriously at:

Red Sea Reefer 750XL at: 160 gallon/40 gallon sump (200 gallon total)

71" x 23.6" x 25.6" 34.7" tall stand

Cad Lights 165G Artisan II: Rated at 165G?? 50 gallon sump ( Total ??) *
71" x 23.5" x 21.5" with a 36" tall stand

* I was a little confused on the actual water volume on the Cad Lights units as it slightly smaller in dimensions.

Both use good glass but Reefer uses thicker front glass I believe.

Do you have any thoughts on your tank now that it has been set up for a while? Positive features? Any negatives to sump size as I was thinking of employing the Triton method.

thanks in advance.

Sincerely,

David
 
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