Emerald Crab DEAD!!!

[cockfield]

Yeah I've noticed quite the same thing you are referring to.

It's like the aquarium hobby is taken SO seriously sometimes and people get offended by the slightest comment. I mean I do understand the impact and whatnot from this hobby and can understand why people could get like that, but sometimes man.....

But yeah...I will definitely keep everyones tips in mind next time.
I've actually just acclimated 2 Perc Clowns(it was a pair for 45).
I dripped them for like 2 hours while I was on this, and I actually waited until the S.G. was exact.



Sooo i'm hoping for the best here!\

Thanks again to everyone though.

 

[sfilingeri]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10052128#post10052128 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mfp1016
I agree with mope, you will never zero nitrates, that is impossible. No matter what system you employ, chemically the nitrates will not completely convert to N2 as the series of organic decomposition reactions are not perfect will fluctuate between favoring reactants and products. From non-chemisty perspective, those test kits are very unaccurate, using color to tell differences is IMO a bad way to test the concentration of something that exists in the ppm range.

whooooo I need to reread this because I am V-E-R-Y S-L-O-W:spin3:

 

[RichConley]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10052128#post10052128 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mfp1016
I agree with mope, you will never zero nitrates, that is impossible. No matter what system you employ, chemically the nitrates will not completely convert to N2 as the series of organic decomposition reactions are not perfect will fluctuate between favoring reactants and products. From non-chemisty perspective, those test kits are very unaccurate, using color to tell differences is IMO a bad way to test the concentration of something that exists in the ppm range.

On a personal note cockfield, that was a very condescending, unfriendly tone. Not welcomed by anyone here.

I didnt think his tone was condescending.

If you take care of your tank, your nitrates will be zero. It IS that simple.

A dsb is not the only way to remove nitrates.... fuge, skimming, bacteria removal, etc.

 

[pledosophy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10052128#post10052128 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mfp1016
I agree with mope, you will never zero nitrates, that is impossible. No matter what system you employ, chemically the nitrates will not completely convert to N2 as the series of organic decomposition reactions are not perfect will fluctuate between favoring reactants and products.

Perhaps your just ignorant but many of us achieve 0 nitrates. Some of us even have to add nitrates to get certain stock to prosper.

I have 0 nitrates on my 65g and on my 20g. My 65g has 130lbs of LR that was cooked, part of it buried in a DSb during the cooking, and the anaerobic bacteria was fed during the process. It runs a DIY protein skimmer, a remote DSB, and a generous portion of macro algae in the display. It houses about 12 zoo colonies, and a bi color blenny as well as two snails.

My 20g also 0 nitrates has just over 100lbs of rock between the display and the sump, macro algae in the sump, a remote DSB, a Remora protein skimmer and houses 17 corals, 5 snails, a clam, an emerald crab, and a pink spotted watchman goby. Rock was also cooked before setup.

Both tanks get RODI water for top offs and salt mixes. I do a water change once a month, sometimes once every two months. Both tanks are fed heavily, especially the 20g which recieves one cube of mysis, a cap full of DT's, and a piece of brine shrimp daily.

JME with zro nitrates.

 

[Nuuze]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10079720#post10079720 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pledosophy
Perhaps your just ignorant but many of us achieve 0 nitrates. Some of us even have to add nitrates to get certain stock to prosper.

I have 0 nitrates on my 65g and on my 20g. My 65g has 130lbs of LR that was cooked, part of it buried in a DSb during the cooking, and the anaerobic bacteria was fed during the process. It runs a DIY protein skimmer, a remote DSB, and a generous portion of macro algae in the display. It houses about 12 zoo colonies, and a bi color blenny as well as two snails.

My 20g also 0 nitrates has just over 100lbs of rock between the display and the sump, macro algae in the sump, a remote DSB, a Remora protein skimmer and houses 17 corals, 5 snails, a clam, an emerald crab, and a pink spotted watchman goby. Rock was also cooked before setup.

Both tanks get RODI water for top offs and salt mixes. I do a water change once a month, sometimes once every two months. Both tanks are fed heavily, especially the 20g which recieves one cube of mysis, a cap full of DT's, and a piece of brine shrimp daily.

JME with zro nitrates.

I ran into the same problem with undetectable levels where my SPS started loosing color. Now I added quite a bit of fish and feed several times a day and colors came back and some pieces even look better.

Also I ushually toss my snails and crabs without acclimating and don't think I ever lost one doing so. The crabs usually take off and hide and the snails start eating away. HTH!

 

[cockfield]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10079806#post10079806 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Nuuze
I ran into the same problem with undetectable levels where my SPS started loosing color. Now I added quite a bit of fish and feed several times a day and colors came back and some pieces even look better.

Also I ushually toss my snails and crabs without acclimating and don't think I ever lost one doing so. The crabs usually take off and hide and the snails start eating away. HTH!

You know...I ALWAYS hear of people doing this...they just place snails/crabs in their tank with no acclimation or just a very short amount of time. That's why i'm so confused on how he died, with an hour drip, from appearing to be in a perfectly healthy state.
Hmmm.

Thanks to everyone though.

 

[sfilingeri]

I cant say nothing either I just float the bag for 15 minutes and drop my crabs and snails in also.

 

[blu iz]

I've only floated the bag and dumped them out when I thought the temps were even. Knock on wood I've never lost one.

 

[turnburn]

I usually float my bags for an hour or so then drip slowly for a couple hours or better.

I have to admit, I usually don't check the salinity in the bags before netting the new critter and putting it in my tank.

Knock on wood...I've never lost a fish through improper acclimation.

 

[carlso63]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10081323#post10081323 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cockfield
You know...I ALWAYS hear of people doing this...they just place snails/crabs in their tank with no acclimation or just a very short amount of time. That's why i'm so confused on how he died, with an hour drip, from appearing to be in a perfectly healthy state.
Hmmm.

Thanks to everyone though.

I have the same problem with serpent / brittle stars... The past 5 years or so, I have bought 4 -5 different species, from a few different LFS, and have lost all due to what seems like an osmotic shock problem... within 5 min they basically "freak out" and start dropping limb pieces until there is nothing left of them!

Interestingly enough, not only do I drip but I have had other species of stars (Linkias, Choc chip, sandsifters, etc) that have done fine with a lot less attention to acclimation times... none of my other corals / inverts have ever seemed to be affected this way... kinda wierd, huh? I can successfully acclimate gonis, montis, shrimps, nudis, BTAs and LTAs, but not a $3 serpent star from a "clean up kit"... :lol:

P.S. - as for the nitrates comment...run a plenum. I do. 0 trates - 11 years straight

 

[seahorsedreams]

My cleanup crew rotates through my 12 tanks and I have to admit I just plop them from one to the other. Peppermint shrimp, urchin, snails. There's a huge difference from my invert only tanks to my FOWLR tanks.

 

[alkataz]

Yeah I must say that I don't drip snails and crabs either. Although I did drip my urchins, but that was only because I had a hard time finding good one locally and really wanted them to make it. Oh yeah and I drip clams, anemones and starfish.

 

[cockfield]

First of all, sorry for my kinda long absence!

But, I'm gonna have to say thank you to everyone for all the info.

For reassurance though, my LFS GAVE me a Peppermint shrimp from a customer tank break down when I went to refund my Emerald.

But once again, I'm still confused, but I guess the only answer would be, a) It was just unhealthy from the start, or b) I'm just plain unlucky!

Unlikely though because i'm at least 50% Irish! :lol:

THANKS AGAIN!

 

[davidryder]

Honestly what's the point of emerald crabs anyway? You were probably better off...

 

[cockfield]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10185448#post10185448 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by davidryder
Honestly what's the point of emerald crabs anyway? You were probably better off...

Hair algae if i'm not mistaken.

And it's always the advantage of a cute little critter.

 

[davidryder]

Crabs have never been anything but nuisances to me... for a fish only tank though I'm sure they make a great addition.

 

[TWallace]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10052128#post10052128 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mfp1016
I agree with mope, you will never zero nitrates, that is impossible. No matter what system you employ, chemically the nitrates will not completely convert to N2 as the series of organic decomposition reactions are not perfect will fluctuate between favoring reactants and products.

My tank has not measured about 0.5ppm since it cycled. I've also been skimmerless for the last month, yet it tested 0.2ppm a few days ago. Live rock + refugium = no nitrates for me. I even feed heavy and have more fish than I probably should.