Emergency

I hate when this happens :S... Hope everything works out!
My ocellaris had ich like a month ago... With copper treatment I was able to help, but in my believe what helped a lot! Was a 3min freshwater dip, i would get some RO water and warm it up a little higher than my DT (80-82), and get the clown in there and it would really help... Also if they make through the night ur gonna have to setup a QT since u cant use copper with corals, and raise the temp in QT and lower salinity to 1.19 as well as some copper treatment..

Good luck!
 
Man..can be a tough hobby...had ick in my main display..275 mixedreef...***** of a time getting rid of it...i hypoed the whole tank....worked...never got ick again..but then again..fish werent just laying there yet.....

..and for the situation now...actually the clown gets up and is somewhat lively when I get close to the tank
Right now..I increased the airation, temp...
 
Was a 3min freshwater dip, i would get some RO water and warm it up a little higher than my DT (80-82), and get the clown in there and it would really help... Also if they make through the night ur gonna have to setup a QT since u cant use copper with corals, and raise the temp in QT and lower salinity to 1.19 as well as some copper treatment..
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..Sounds like a good start...this is what my buddy charlie was saying too..but said wait for some input from others here....Charlie..(AKA..msman827)...thanks
 
Good luck. Sound like a stressful situation. I had the same thing happened with my picasso pairs a month ago. I took both out and put it in a QT then started teh copper treatment with cupramine immediately. Unfortunately, one of the 2 picassos was covered in so much white spots that he only survived 2 more days. The other one made it through and is now back in the DT looking really healthy. I know how it feels. I was in the same situation in the middle of the night too. Hope they make it through the night so you can get some medication for them.
 
Thanks...man..yeah...feel crappy...real crappy...we can get real attached..even when we have specimens for a short time....to make matters worse...had a 55 crash...lost 7 fish this week and many corals....cant happen again and not to them....:hmm4:
 
So I should set up a QT tank now..with fresh mixed water and RO to a salinity of 1.019...do a FW 3 min. dip..return them to the display then into a 1.019 QT tank in the morning and medicate it?..what about acclamation..when do I do that if needed..or is this emergency measures...may be too week for that no??
 
OK..sorry people..i may be tireing you out..but one last question...what medication would you recommend for ick treatment in a QT tank....
 
astranotus said:
So I should set up a QT tank now..with fresh mixed water and RO to a salinity of 1.019...do a FW 3 min. dip..return them to the display then into a 1.019 QT tank in the morning and medicate it?..what about acclamation..when do I do that if needed..or is this emergency measures...may be too week for that no??
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I would do a water change on your dt and use that water to start the qt. Then add the freshly mixed saltwater back into your dt as if you where doing a water change.

I dont know if I would be taking them out and doing a freshwater dip right now and then putting them back into your display tank only t be takin them out in the morning to put them back into your qt as it will only stress them out even more. I would just wait till the morning and transfer them over and treat with cupramine.

Goodluck I just went through this with all my fish after adding a tang into my display without treating it first. My black and white clowns where white they had ick so bad and they recovered just fine. They are pretty hardy fish
 
You need to figure out what the fish has before you proceed with any kind of treatment. If you cannot determine what it is, the best chance for the fish may be to let it run its course in your DT. To eliminate the numbers of the parasite you could run UV or ozone, while doing regular (every other day) water changes to also get the numbers down and to maintain good water quality.
 
wgood33: Is better to quarantine newly bought fishes for some weeks in QT before you add them to the main display tank. To be sure, the fishes does not have any diseases. I think this is, what Magga Pie meant with treating the tang.
 
I would do a water change on your dt and use that water to start the qt. Then add the freshly mixed saltwater back into your dt as if you where doing a water change.
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Whew..that is exactly what I did...Well so far this is what I have done...I did take water from the DT and put into a 10G with some sand...Put new SW(10%) with a lower ph to the DT..was .025 and is now .023...Also I did remember that I had a UV..hooked that up to the DT....raised temp to 81 & have a nano koralia almost to the surface so it sucks air every now and then to help increase airation...I did how ever do a FW dip for 3 1/2 minutes...After a bit they seemed to come back a little and even ate:spin1:... And the QT tank is half full with a few gallons of DT water and new SW which together is at .019...
In the morning I will do a small water change of 10% and lower the salinity to .021 and when I get home if all is well.....am thinking ..which is where i tend to go wrong:hmm4:...so I am thinking that I can skip the QT tank..(have it set up and ready)..but skip the QT tank and continue with the hypo and bring it down .002 every day to .011 or .013 for a week to 10 days then slowly bring it back up .002 every day....with the hopes of getting the whole tank, sand, corals and FISH, FREE of the ick.....will buy the treatment though to have on hand from now on....So what do you guys think?? or should I QT the fish (and at what salinity for treatment of cupramine)..and at the same time hypo the DT with the corals..hoping to kill what I can of the ick Before bringing it back up and introducing the clowns again...

side note..I know I can't get rid of it ..that it is always in the water column but can keep it at bay with good water quality...

Again thanks all...Up real late it is now 4:20am here...and have to work tomorrow but...hey...my babies need me:)
Real hard week for me in the hobby and especially to go to bed tonight as tired as I am ..with fears of looking into the DT in the morning ...but am hopeful ..Thanx
 
You can't bring the salinity down that low in the DT and its still not low enough to do anything to ich anyways. To break its life cycle you need to get down to .009. Just leave the tank fallow (fishless) for 6 weeks to be sure. Ich can't survive without a host.

"side note..I know I can't get rid of it ..that it is always in the water column but can keep it at bay with good water quality..."

This is not true. There are many tanks out there (including mine) that are completely ich free. Ich is a parasite once you break its lifecycle its gone. It can't come back unless you re introduce the parasite. It sounds like you are on the right track with the clowns. Good luck with them.
 
Make sure your fish is ich free before you add to your tank. Don't add any rock from a disease tank into your tank and your tank will be ich free. My fish did not get ich when the electricity got turn off for 36 hrs or so. Four of the 7 fish died and 90% of the coral but as soon as I turn the electricity and do water change, the three fish recovered and no ich.
 
Whatever treatment you select (copper or hypo), GET ALL FISH OUT OF THE DT!!! If you treat with copper, then all LR will be contaminated and the corals will die. If you treat with hypo, then the corals and bacteria on the LR will die; causing an incredible die off and increase in ammonia, almost certainly killing the fish. In order to rid of ich from your DT, leave it without fish for 10+ weeks!

So I would first take the fish OUT of the DT tank and put into the QT. If you choose to treat with copper or hypo, test often since the margin of error is rather small. For copper, I do not believe you need to change the SG. With hypo slowly lower the SG to 1.009. Lowering the QT tank to 1.009 and treating with copper will NOT cure the issue twice as fast. In fact I think that low an SG will distort the effects of copper and effectively case and overdose in the QT.
 
Okay IMO you need to treat the fish with a copper based medication after you have treated him with Maracyn plus.I had a beautiful blue tang come down with ich and I used this product.after the fish is eating and doing overall better then start treaing with a copper based medication.I really hope this help!
 
Sorry this is so stessful, i know how expensive some of these fish are. Seems to me your on the right track. A small simple quarantine/treatment tank is a good start. Use water from your main display, and any throwaway piece of live rock or sponge filter from your sump as filtration (until you get a sponge filter or hang on the back working)I'm not a fan of substrate in QT tanks as they are messy, but it does work. As for copper based treatments I prefer cupramime, but others work as well, make sure you copper test as slight fluctuation in copper levels may impact how well this treatment goes, and please dont mix hypo and copper together

LASTLY, we believe you about the ich, but could you post a pict for confirmation. I'd hate you stressing out the fish for something else
 
When my clowns had ich/brooklynella I treated with copper and formalin, which seemed to at least visually take care of the ich/brooklynella, but they still weren't quite themselves. So I followed that with a round of antibiotics. That seemed to do the trick for me. Still had them in the hospital tank for about a month and went through a lot of salt with having to do water changes every other day.
 
Well they made it through the night..:p...i do have a sponge filter..like the kind you wourd use in a fry tank when they stat to get bigger..I just called 2 shops and neither carry curamine...1 store did have copper safe though...even though they are looking more healthy and moving around I now can see spots on the body..hard to see though...cause they are a white fish...but i can upload a pic..just don't know how close I can get with clarity to actually see what i see...I wonder if this site can upload a small video clip and I can put a link on here for it...I am preety sure that it is isck though...cause when I upgraded the 20L they were in..perfect and healthy...i made a HUGE mistake and used some sand from another tank I broke down and the fish had ick...I thought it was all cleared up cause there were no fish in that tank for a bit before i broke it down and left the sand in a bucket for a couple of days too.....BUT there was 1 piece of a rock i put in there..GSP :hmm4:..can't beleive I made that mistake
 
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