Deinonych
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I could make the same argument for copper. Again, if you have reservations about TTM, then don't do it. It won't change the fact that it is a documented and effective treatment for the elimination of Cryptocaryon.
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I could make the same argument for copper. Again, if you have reservations about TTM, then don't do it. It won't change the fact that it is a documented and effective treatment for the elimination of Cryptocaryon.
wooden_reefer
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Yes, some fish will not take any cu at all.
Are you mostly interested in these fish?
I tend to think that most aquarists' interest dictates that TT should be adjunct, not primary means against ich.
I have said so before: if a fish eats well after being handled and seldom get bacterial infection, TT can be good. Even then, I would use non-chemical means to remove ammonia during TT. I would cycle a batch of medium and then use one portion for each transfer. No Prime or Amquel, because you never know whether you will need to use a drug that interferes with these chemicals--data are lacking.
One thing to consider is ich and other parasites are the result of stress, therefore sometimes treating them in the tank (not catching and quaratining) is alot less stressful on the fish, more than anything the fish need their immune system "boosted" to help fight it off, add garlic powder to their food if the becone finicky about eating, this is just my opinion 
Deinonych
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One thing to consider is ich and other parasites are the result of stress, therefore sometimes treating them in the tank (not catching and quaratining) is alot less stressful on the fish, more than anything the fish need their immune system "boosted" to help fight it off, add garlic powder to their food if the becone finicky about eating, this is just my opinion
Cryptocaryon (ich) is not caused by stress. This is a common reefkeeping myth that seems to perpetuate ad infinitum. If it is never introduced to the aquarium, it will never manifest itself.
tony727
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Well my Anthias and Clown Trigger didn't make it(no spots+cloudy eyes), my other fish aren't eating too well either..
The Naso is getting black spots?
Blue tang is covered in white.
All other fish no spots, but don't seem happy at all.
I guess its time to start over, and hopefully this convinces my dad that we should quarantine.
The Naso is getting black spots?
Blue tang is covered in white.
All other fish no spots, but don't seem happy at all.
I guess its time to start over, and hopefully this convinces my dad that we should quarantine.
If fish are dying this quickly, you might want to reconsider your ich diagnosis. I looked back over your earlier posts and this caught my eye:
It's possible you are dealing with velvet here and not ich. Velvet can sometimes resemble a really bad case of ich, but is far deadlier and TT is not a suitable treatment option for it. Chloroquine phosphate is the treatment of choice for velvet; consider copper as a backup plan.
The "black spots" on the naso... are these large spots or dot sized? The "cloudy eyes" on the deceased is making me wonder if these fish might also have flukes, or possibly a secondary bacterial infection.
It's possible you are dealing with velvet here and not ich. Velvet can sometimes resemble a really bad case of ich, but is far deadlier and TT is not a suitable treatment option for it. Chloroquine phosphate is the treatment of choice for velvet; consider copper as a backup plan.
The "black spots" on the naso... are these large spots or dot sized? The "cloudy eyes" on the deceased is making me wonder if these fish might also have flukes, or possibly a secondary bacterial infection.
wooden_reefer
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One thing to consider is ich and other parasites are the result of stress, therefore sometimes treating them in the tank (not catching and quaratining) is alot less stressful on the fish, more than anything the fish need their immune system "boosted" to help fight it off, add garlic powder to their food if the becone finicky about eating, this is just my opinion
Ich infestation has little to do with stress.
This is a hard concept for many because they lump all diseases together.
Some diseases are stress related (all those internal bacterial and fungal and higher order parasites), many are due to the closed nature of a tank.
Ich is a disease due to comfinement, the lack of the dilution effect of the ocean. The lifecycle of ich in the ocean is naturally self-limiting. In the ocean, ich is just an itch to the fish; ich only becomes a killer in a tank.
Stress is not a significant factor for ich.
The only way to enjoy fish keeping is eradication of ich, that is , to kill and allow to die the last ich organism in a system.
I've changed treatment to cupramine, but they aren't looking too well still..
The black spots on Naso are very small..Chances are the tank has many different things in it, I don't know whats been in it before. All I know is whats in it now
The spots could be "black ich" - an infestation of turbellarian flatworms. But nasos can also just be splotchy sometimes, so I would post of pic of this if you can.
Prazipro is the treatment of choice for black ich. But if the fish looks really bad, you might want to give him a formalin bath before beginning copper treatment. Formalin will provide temporary relief for both black ich and velvet.
Do you have any suggestions on what formalin to use? Fish are looking better now after day 1 of copper, seem more calm and not hyperventilating anymore..Damn I just bought 2 50 gallon tubs for TT now I don't even need them lol
Formalin-MS is the treatment of choice (you can find it on Amazon).
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