Euthanasia
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Randall_James
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ever had a spinal block?
Freed
It's what it's
Um, this must be an inside joke or something cause I still don't see how this would keep the fish from suffering unless you rip out it's entire spine. Some part of the fish would still feel pain or be suffering no matter where you cut the spine. K splain it to me what am I missing?
Randall_James
Premium Member
in a human and presumably most animals, when the spine is severed, it also disconnects all sensation of pain (in the immediate sense) Beheading is rumored to be painless (seems no one has been able to verify this) doh....
When a spinal block is applied (Tetracaine or bupivacaine injection) you can literally amputate a limb or perform a complete surgery with the patient wide awake and no other pain killers. (is safer than general anesthetic as well)
When a spinal block is applied (Tetracaine or bupivacaine injection) you can literally amputate a limb or perform a complete surgery with the patient wide awake and no other pain killers. (is safer than general anesthetic as well)
I think there is a bit of difference between an anesthetic being injected into the spine with a needle and knife blade being plunged into the spine 
With freezing a tropical fish, the temp will have dropped below lethal long before freezing "particles" of water have formed, so I doubt that would be actually be an issue.
If you want truly painless, an anesthetic such as MS-222 or clove oil is really the only way to go.
With freezing a tropical fish, the temp will have dropped below lethal long before freezing "particles" of water have formed, so I doubt that would be actually be an issue.
If you want truly painless, an anesthetic such as MS-222 or clove oil is really the only way to go.
I suspect the product only causes immobilization, ie paralysis. "When used properly, it induces a temporary state of immobilization"
I doubt you would want to be just immobilized during the process. In medicine we give a sedative and paralytic so the patient is not aware while in a state of paralysis.
Besides PETA, who says fish feel pain anyway. I don't believe there is any solid evidence on this. It is more a human response to percieved suffering. Would any method be more or less painful than being eaten in the wild by say a barracuda?
I doubt you would want to be just immobilized during the process. In medicine we give a sedative and paralytic so the patient is not aware while in a state of paralysis.
Besides PETA, who says fish feel pain anyway. I don't believe there is any solid evidence on this. It is more a human response to percieved suffering. Would any method be more or less painful than being eaten in the wild by say a barracuda?
TarheelFrag
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I will just stick with the.....
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J. Montgomery
Mouth Pipetting
Well, I hope that I don't end up in the situation of having to euthanize a fish . . . but from what I've seen on the original Iron Chef, you should be able to do the deed and have the fish fileted in under 5 min if you do it right.
According to the 2000 "Report of the AVMA Panel on Euthanasia" the preferred method is immersion in tricaine methane sulfonate (MS 222 or TMS) at a concentration of more than 250 mg/L for at least 10 minutes following cessation of opercular (gill cover) movement. Decapitation is also an acceptable method...provided that the animal is pithed following decapitation (a needle inserted through the spinal cord into the brain). This is done because the central nervous system of fish are tolerant to hypoxia (lack of oxygen) and "loss of consciousness" following decapitation is not as fast as with warm blooded animals.
It is interesting to note that cooling and/or freezing are not considered acceptable means of humane euthanasia for fish, reptiles and amphibians.
It is interesting to note that cooling and/or freezing are not considered acceptable means of humane euthanasia for fish, reptiles and amphibians.
Randall_James
Premium Member
:uzi: :fish2: :hammer:
come here fishy
come here fishy
gh0st
New member
Clove Oil works very well.
Also dumping the poor little guy into a bucket full of super cold ice water seems to be pretty fast and painless, and not quite as gruesome as a blender, clubbing, or decapitation.
The Temp shock knocks them right out. Used that one in my Betta breeding days for culls and it was always over quicker than a snap. The freezer thing can take a LONG time. Looked in on one after almost two hours and still saw respiration...
Also dumping the poor little guy into a bucket full of super cold ice water seems to be pretty fast and painless, and not quite as gruesome as a blender, clubbing, or decapitation.
The Temp shock knocks them right out. Used that one in my Betta breeding days for culls and it was always over quicker than a snap. The freezer thing can take a LONG time. Looked in on one after almost two hours and still saw respiration...
