Fast breathing fish... whats up?

jcopp24

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All my fish in my 20 gallon nano are breathing very fast and heavy... 6 chromis, flame angel, and molly miller salinity is right on track, however I belive the temp. changed in my showroom where the tank is... the temp is 79 degrees in the tank... is this the issue?

Any ideas please feel free...
 
... share some more water parameters ... such as nitrate, nitrate, pH, ammonia, etc ... does it look like they have any parasite's? IMO 79 degree's is not enough to speed up a fishes metabolism to cause it to breath this hard. Another thing is do you have enough water movement so your water get's aerated and has enough oxygen in it? Check all your equipment and levels ... and get back to us!
 
I think that is it... There is very little movement in the water... I just put in a second water jet. I will check the water specs and post them in a minute... Thank you how retarded of me...
 
Check your parameters. My fish did the same thing when I had an ammonia level of .50 and shortly there after they all died.:(
 
Well my buddy's tank was in perfect parameters and we were stuck as to why his nano fish are all breathing hard ... as soon as I stuck in a small venturi their breathing slowed down in about 1-2 hrs.

Oh and ummm how about 50% off a new RS4 ... :lol2:
 
Ok did the tests here are the results... I also took four of the chromis out and put in another tank for the person who simply wrote 8 fish in a 20gallon High.

Amonia NH3/NH4 gives a reading of 8.0 on the chart with water temp. at 79 degrees would give a ph value of 5.8

Nitrites NO2 are zero I tested twice to make sure this was accurate

pH is reading 8.0

Nitrate NO3 is zero again I tested twice to see accuracy

Please let me know which ones are bad and what I need to do and if this relates to my heavy breathing
 
:eek2: Your AMMONIA is 8.0 :eek1:

"Ammonia (NH3) is excreted by all animals and some other aquarium inhabitants. Unfortunately, it is very toxic to all animals, although it is not toxic to certain other organisms, such as some species of macroalgae that readily consume it. Fish are not, however, the only animals that ammonia harms, and even some algae, such as the phytoplankton Nephroselmis pyriformis, are harmed by less than 0.1 ppm ammonia.15

In an established reef aquarium, the ammonia produced is usually taken up rapidly. Macroalgae use it to make proteins, DNA, and other biochemicals that contain nitrogen. Bacteria also take it up and convert it to nitrite, nitrate, and nitrogen gas (the famous "nitrogen cycle"). All of these compounds are much less toxic than ammonia (at least to fish), so the ammonia waste is rapidly "detoxified" under normal conditions.

Under some conditions, however, ammonia may be a concern. During the initial setup of a reef aquarium, or when new live rock or sand is added, an abundance of ammonia may be produced that the available mechanisms cannot detoxify quickly enough. In these circumstances, fish are at great risk. Ammonia levels as low as 0.2 ppm can be dangerous to fish.16 In such instances, the fish and invertebrates should be removed to cleaner water, or the aquarium treated with an ammonia-binding product such as Amquel.

Many aquarists are confused by the difference between ammonia and a form of it that is believed to be less toxic: ammonium. These two forms interconvert very rapidly (many times per second), so for many purposes they are not distinct chemicals. They are related by the acid base reaction shown below:

NH3 + H+ ßà NH4+

Ammonia + hydrogen ion (acid) ßà ammonium ion

The only reason that ammonium is thought to be less toxic than ammonia is that, being a charged molecule, it crosses the fishes' gills and enters their bloodstream with more difficulty than does ammonia, which readily passes across the gill membranes and rapidly enters the blood.

In aquaria with higher pH levels, which contain less H+, more of the total ammonia will be in the NH3 form. Consequently, the toxicity of a solution with a fixed total ammonia concentration rises as pH rises. This is important in such areas as fish transport, where ammonia can build to toxic levels.

I will discuss issues concerning ammonia in greater detail in a future column."

~ Randy Farley Holmes' Article
 
also I am glad you told me what the problem is... the Ammonia chart on the back of my test says the ammonia is 8.0 but when you put it on the chart at 79 degrees its 5.2... so what is my ammonia 8.0 or 5.2?

Also more importantly what do I do for the quick solution.
 
Yea Pink Floyd is a lil' crazy :p He's still a freshmen in High School ;)

Your ammonia should be nearly undetectable!

I think the quick solution would be to get ammonia removing media and keep it submerged in a medium flow area.

However you need to take a look at your setup and find out why is it there in the first place ... honestly I think it was all the fish! You're LR, LS, & Fluval simply can't house enough beneficial bacteria to convert that much ammonia back to nitrates and nitrites ...
 
Yesterday I did a 25% water change... I had two empty spaces in the fluval 204 and added crushed live rock in those two spots. I took out four of the chromis, so now it is two chromis, the flame hawk, and molly miller.

Today I was going to go purchase a protien skimmer from the LPS. You think that would be a help to the situation. Are there any plants ect... that would help in this? And should the water changes keep going?
 
Pink Floyd is comfortably numb all the time ;)

The water change should help along with the lesser bio-load ... do another 10% today and check your ammonia again! A skimmer always helps because it takes out junk before it's ever get's to the ammonia stage. Also there are like "ammonia alert" that checks ammonia constantly for like under $10 and it just suctions in your tank. Mangroves help take out a lot of junk but not enough to help your situation. If your ammonia is still high you MUST buy some ammonia removing media for your fluval ... not just cram LR in there :p
 
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