Finally Upgraded-Pics Included!!!

melev said:
Look who's suddenly motivated. :)

Hmmmmm,,,,,

Im not exactly sure how to take that!

:p

Anyhow, I am approaching the 5th hour now, and there is a dramatic decrease in bugs on the frags. In all honesty, I cant seem to find a one!

Still a full hour to go, and then I will do the water change, and restart my skimmer ( took it out, needed to be cleaned anyhow ) and put in some fresh carbon.

I made a little journal of the hour to hour, and will post it probally tommorow from my personal experience standpoint.
 
Been following your thread and luring in the shadows...I love your aquascaping. Good luck getting rid of those pesky red bugs!
 
Gawain1974 said:
Been following your thread and luring in the shadows...I love your aquascaping. Good luck getting rid of those pesky red bugs!

Thanks,

I have 45 minutes to go, before I get things back to "normal" All seems to have gone very well considering my ulcer from doing this treatment.
 
Well, I don't keep SPS, so I don't know your pain, fortunately. Making sure I have enough pods for my mandarin is the source of my ulcer. Shall I send you some Pepto?
 
Gawain1974 said:
Well, I don't keep SPS, so I don't know your pain, fortunately. Making sure I have enough pods for my mandarin is the source of my ulcer. Shall I send you some Pepto?


LOL:D

Nah,
Im ok,,its just it was a nail-biter for a day or so. As of about 10 minutes ago, I am completely through with the treatment. All seems to have gone very well.

I will post a full journal'ish summary sometime tomm. evening.
 
Congrats on the first treatment. I sure don't want to do it myself.

I've played with the idea of pulling my corals out and into a separate system for the treatment, then putting it back in my tank after treatment. I realize if the bugs are elsewhere, it won't help much as they'd just climb aboard, but I don't want to wipe out my pods with four mandarins, not to mention hermits and shrimp. :(
 
melev said:
Congrats on the first treatment. I sure don't want to do it myself.

I've played with the idea of pulling my corals out and into a separate system for the treatment, then putting it back in my tank after treatment. I realize if the bugs are elsewhere, it won't help much as they'd just climb aboard, but I don't want to wipe out my pods with four mandarins, not to mention hermits and shrimp. :(

The decrease in pod movement was the first thing that I noticed. By the second hour I had no visible signs of pods at all.

I feel for you Marc.

I am off to work but will post a detailed summary of each Hour later this evening or tomm.
 
Treatment #1

Treatment #1

- 1/4 of a 23mg interceptor tablet was used to treat 100 total gallons

- Drug name is Milbemycin Oxime

-All filter media ( Micron filter bag/Carbon ) was removed prior to dosing

-Skimmer was removed from sump altogether ( needed to be cleaned )

-ALL lighting was turned off ( I had a concern that with the lights on the fish may see some small particles as food and injest them ) I was worried about the effects, possibly over-cautious

-All pumps & powerheads were left on during treatment

-I disolved the 1/4 tablet for aprox 8 hours in tank water prior to treatment, this seemed to help disolve even some of the harder small particles

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Hour 1- After the first hour I noticed little if any change in ANYthing at all. There was NO milky appearence to the water at all, and there was no visible negative effects to either the snails/clams/fish/or corals. The ONLY thing I noticed was a bit of extra slime being produced by my slimer ( no more so than during a water change.)
Using a flashlight I examined each frag, the bugs seemed totally unaffected at all. Also the pods seemed to be completely unaffected also at this point.

Hour 2- After visually examining the corals, I still saw NO bug die off.
Everything else was still apparently unaffected by the treatment. There was even more slime around the slimer, and even the other frags seems to be producing extra mucus ( Keep in mind all I have is SPS with the exception of one Ric colony ). During this second hour there was a slight decrease in pod movement throughout the tank.

Hour 3- Dramatic/complete void of all pod movement, even so far as seeing dead ones floating around in the water.Fish/Clams/Snails/Frags seemed fine ( aside from the excessive mucus the frags were producing at this point ) This 3rd hour is when I noticed a slight decrease in bugs on several of the frags. There was still a good bit on them, but a slightly noticable decline. I even noticed a couple falling off one frag in particular.

Hour 4- After a VERY tedious examination of all the corals, I could not see 1 single bug on any of them. The slime had also seemed to reduce in amount around the frags, and I noticed a good deal of polyp extension on several frags. The worst bug infested frag had no polyp extension at all however ( this had been a problem for about 6 days now both during day & night time ) All else seemed fine,I noticed that the snails were still going about their business grazing. I shinned the flashlight into the caves the fish hide in to check on them and they were fine, not even the slightest increase in breathing.

Hour 5- Still no bugs visible at all. Frags had shed their excessive mucus. I noticed a lot of dead pods all over the bottom of the tank and floating around, in the hundreds.

Hour 6- As it had been for the previous two hours all frags were visibly bug free, all fish/corals/clams/snails were in apparently perfect condition. I did however notice that the polyp extension had decreased somewhat by this point.
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A 20 gallon water change was then done, and 2 fresh cups of Black Diamond carbon were added into a filter bag installed onto the sump drain. The skimmer was hooked back up, and for several hours had to be turned all the way down due to excessive overflowing. My nightly ( even though it was moring) dose of b-ionic was added at this point, and I left the system alone till Sun. afternoon.

A examination of the system at that point showed normal ( actinic only ) polyp extension, and still a complete void of any pods at all. EVERYTHING else was seemingly unharmed during the treatment.

*Now here is the promising part*

Of all the frags in the system, one was noticably more infested than the rest. It had for several days had absoultly no polyp extension at all, and some slight bleaching along the base. When I got home from work this evening, the halides were on, the water was next to crystal clear ( only slightly cloudy, due to the water change IMHO more than anything else ) And there was for the first time in at least a week maybe a dozen polyps halfway opened on the worst frag of them all. This evening after lights out, there was even better polyp extension on the same frag. Not 100% better, but much better than previously. I also noticed that ALL the other frags had more extension than I actually thought possible.

It was interesting that once the bugs finally started to die off, thats when I noticed them more on frags I had until that point thought were unaffected at all.

The skimmer is now running at regular strength producing a nice wet skimmate, and as of now ( 24 hours later ) I have replaced the 2cups of carbon with 2 fresh cups, inside a clean filter bag.

I was thinking of maybe leaving it as is, and seeing if one treatment was enough, but I have decided that I WILL do a second treatment next SUN. exactly one week from the first as prescribed. I am however not entirely sure I will do a 3rd as I am not convinced that more than two are nessesary. I do think that 2 treatments is required at the very least at this point.

Anyhow,

There it is,
To all of you concerned about this treatment ( as I was, to the point of an ulcer ) I feel confident now that I made the right decission. And believe that this was absoultly worth doing. Especially now seeing polyps on an otherwise dying frag, and seeing how healthy and vibrant the others looks not even 24 hours later.

Chris
 
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That was a very good review. You know, ReefCentral has a review page and anyone can submit a review. You might do one about "Interceptor" in case it hasn't been done yet.

Keep in mind that the editor is plain jane, and I strongly recommend you use the Preview button before submitting, so you can add < br > commands where necessary to make it look good.

Btw, you didn't mention a refugium. I was thinking if I were to dose my tank, I'd lose the four kinds of pods I've discovered in my reef, but if the refugium was offline, perhaps they would produce enough live to restore what was lost. That, or I would need to buy $100 worth of SeaPods to replace those lost critters! :(
 
Thanks Mark/Marc

Today everything is back to "normal" If you didnt know I did the treatment you wouldnt be able to tell.

As I stated, I will wait the full week as prescribed by Dustin to do the second treatment, and then most likely stop there.

Marc, I know you are concerned about the pod population being destroyed due to your Mandarins. I wish I could give you a better outlook on their survival, but it seems that they have been completely exterminated.

There is a possibility that some have survived, and I am just unable to see them as of yet, I will keep you posted on what their status is in the event of a change.
 
Marc, I decided to post a Treatment log in the SPS forum, instead of in the review section. I think that more people may see it there.
 
Well it has now been a couple days since the 1st treatment. Everything still seems to be doing fine. I am still seeing increased polyp extension on ALL frags. The one that was worst is showing signs of a few more polyps coming out, and it appears that its base bleaching has stopped. I only hope that there was not too much damage done to this one before I started with interceptor.

Still not one sign of bugs anywhere, and I am starting to see a few pods here and there with a flashlight after lights out.

I am awaiting my 2-Seio 1100's set to be delivered thur.

I will be getting everything set for the second treatment this fri and saturday. Set to actually dose the second time ( and what I think will be the final treatment ) sat evening after I get home from work.

Will give you an update, as I progress.

Chris
 
Installed my new Seio 1100's tonight!

Installed my new Seio 1100's tonight!

Well I got them today, and got them in the tank and all the MJets out. Wow what a huge diference in flow. I really like them a lot.

My only complaint is I am currently having to use the suction cups ( which I am not a big fan of ) because running them Tunze style without the flow directional box, I cant seem to get them to mount with the bracket.

Is there some additional procedure I have to do to get them to clasp onto the side of an AGA, they just dont have enough to clamp onto the way they want you to do it?

Maybe I am missing something.

Reguardless, I am VERY glad I got theses pumps. Nice gentle flow, but its a lot of water being pushed. Pics soon!
 
He's an alternative to the suction cups...
Buy some aquarium sealant and some good aquarium magnets, (not the mag floats). Attach the Seio's to the magnets with the sealant and let it cure for 24 hours...you should be good to go.

Nick
 
maxxII said:
He's an alternative to the suction cups...
Buy some aquarium sealant and some good aquarium magnets, (not the mag floats). Attach the Seio's to the magnets with the sealant and let it cure for 24 hours...you should be good to go.

Nick

Thanks for the good idea!

I found a mod to the current pieces that made it possible to mount them horizontal ( tunze ) style using the bracket. All I had to do was drill 1 hole for each pump bracket. Had them the way I wanted them within 5 minutes. Now I am really happy with them.

I am getting ready to do my second and final interceptor treatment tomorrow night, will keep you all updated!

Chris
 
Second interceptor treatment almost done!

Second interceptor treatment almost done!

Well at exactly 1 weeks to the hour, I started the second and what I will at this point consider the last interceptor treatment. I got ready for this one same as last, including letting the 1/4 pill disolve for 12 hours. Also turing off all lights before starting.

I have not seen even 1 bug since the first treatment, but thought as a saftey precaution I would at the very least do the second.

I did not notice any difference in the behavior of the inhabitants this time either. In fact the only difference was there was not one bit of extra slime created by any of the frags as it did the first time.

As before the polyps on most of the frags came out during the treatment ( possibly a feeding response due to the beef flavor )

The only coral I am concerned about is the one that was the worst off to begin with. Though I have seen increased polyp extension since the first interceptor dose. I think there is still some very slow bleaching at the base. I will hope for the best, as the rest seem to be doing better than ever. Perhaps this one piece was just to stressed before I started.

In about 30 minutes I will perform the water change, this time I am going to do it a bit different. I am going to do 3-10 gallon changes each night, instead of one large one. I will still run fresh carbon as prescribed after this inital W/C, and change it out after 24 hours for new.

Anyhow,,,

I promised pics of the new Seio pumps, just give me a day or two and I will provide.

Chris
 
Finally Some Pictures ( Sorry About The Wait )

Finally Some Pictures ( Sorry About The Wait )

Well I finally was able to get some shots tonight of a few things ( including the new Seio pumps.

All of theses shots are from tonight ( Post 2nd interceptor treatment, which was done last saturday ) with the exception of the Watchman picture. But I thought it was a good shot and thought I would add it.

Anyhow,
Here is one of the 2 new Seio 1100's now running in the system. I am VERY pleased with the performance/flow theses pumps create. They are also not even close to the eyesore that all thoses MJets were.

I have 2 of the 1100's now running in conjunction to the mag12 return. Lots of nice flow throughout the entire system.

A simple 5 minute mounting mod made it possible to mount them as seen here. The thread I found the DIY mod on is located at:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=525048&highlight=seio+mount

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My two fish residents

My two fish residents

Here are the singlw two fish in this system. I plan on maybe adding 1 or 2 more at some point, but my focus has never really been on fish.

First is my Watchman, a long time resident.
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