First big tank/tank build 210

Middle section,

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Right,

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Skimmer cup and 2 fuge lights (( zip tied in case the clamp every lets go ))

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Reactors in/out *2, and right side's overflow gate valve.

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Sand...

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Lastly, a shot from this morning. 100lbs of rock and 15 gallons of water. At this rate, will take about 2 weeks to fill up. Ordered 90 more pounds of rock. Will pick up some live rocks from LFSs to fill in the rest, plus what ever rock I plan moving over from my 75 --- not much, since a lot of it is covered in brown "button polyps" -- those won't be coming over.

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2 shipments came yesterday, one from Premium and the other from BRS (( feel like spreading my money around, ha )). And I picked up the overflow kits for the tank from the LFS that I am getting the tank from (( had to return a 40 breeder that I had thought about using as a sump )).

2 MP40s (( currently have 6 MP10s, all over 3 years old, 4 that are about 5 years old, never had an issue. Just vinegar them once in a while )). Might see if the 10s will stay in place on the back wall, or get 2 more 40s in the future.
An ATO, "Smart ATO", will be my first ATO, had always used a 5 gallon Kalk dripper as one.
2 150 watt Eheim Jager heaters. Will see if come winter if they will be enough. Should be easy enough to switch one out for a 250 watt. And to be honest, I planned on getting 2 250s, but clicked the wrong ones. Instead of returning them, I will see what happens.

Now have a couple things on the Excel spreadsheet that I can cross off.

A picture of the goodies,

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For this tank, I want to keep things as neat as possible --- case in point, a couple of pictures of my work space in the garage, have tweaked it about 20 times.

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So, once the tank/stand is here, going to pick up some wire duct and what not.

If I had this workspace, I'd go in & gaze upon it for 20 minutes a day, lol ... I'm quite the opposite, haha ...
 
If I had this workspace, I'd go in & gaze upon it for 20 minutes a day, lol ... I'm quite the opposite, haha ...

ha. Thanks.

Always trying to find ways to tweak that space -- and the overall storage in the garage. My slight OCD can be annoying at times.
 
Looking good!

What type of project?
(hope I did the quote correct)

I have had a 210 for years with a built in false wall/stand across the end of our front room...makes a 4x11 "fish room" with an access door directly to the garage behind the tank so I can walk in and work everything from the back side. I plan two more display tanks on either side of it, and Q, frag tank below, with the Q also being visible via a removable panel toward the living area so new additions can be watched / stared at. :-) Sump tank below the topside display tanks already exists and most of the plumbing is ready for the new additions as $ permits. It was shut down for a few years and I'm just getting going again....slowly....so that I don't make as many mistakes as I did the first several years hopefully.
 
4 --- fan for T5

EB8-3
3 --- Clip on fan

I'm sure you are aware already, and am not sure the power draw of the items above. ports 4&8 on the EB8 power strip are normal relay type and can handle the low power devices that the rest of the ports sometimes can have trouble shutting off with if I read the docs right. Maybe will be fine.
 
Looking good!


(hope I did the quote correct)

I have had a 210 for years with a built in false wall/stand across the end of our front room...makes a 4x11 "fish room" with an access door directly to the garage behind the tank so I can walk in and work everything from the back side. I plan two more display tanks on either side of it, and Q, frag tank below, with the Q also being visible via a removable panel toward the living area so new additions can be watched / stared at. :-) Sump tank below the topside display tanks already exists and most of the plumbing is ready for the new additions as $ permits. It was shut down for a few years and I'm just getting going again....slowly....so that I don't make as many mistakes as I did the first several years hopefully.

Wow, that sounds impressive. Wish I had room for an inwall/fish room. Have any pictures?



I completely replaced all the filters/membranes/resins for the RO/DI. Might as well use the best water that I can.
Tap's TDS 135
Post RO 3
Post DI 0.
Another nice thing, making water a lot faster now. Had been a while since I changed the pre-filter and carbon block.
 
Have made a major push --- the tank is full of water :bounce1: Of course still need to get the sump filled, but that is slowly happening with each 5 gallon bucket I put into the tank.

Been doing this a bit differently, mixing up 5 gallons of saltwater at a time (( mix it for a couple of hours { and over night for the last one of the day }, that matches up with having 5 gallons of RO/DI made up )). Have had to make some minor adjustments, but pretty close to 1.0256 already. Have the 2 MP40s running to help keep things mixed up.

Have the rock in (( Marco rock )), pretty happy with the layout, but will see what happens when I add a few pieces of live rock -- will transfer some from the 75, and will pick up a few pieces. Plan on doing that next weekend. Ordered the Marco in 2 batches, first was normal 100lb, the second was from black Friday, 40lb of the flat, and 50lb of normal. Was a bit too much, put 2 pieces into the sump, and still have 2 pieces left. Figure I will just put those into the sump of my 65, which I am keeping.

Some pictures...

The boxes to the right of the tank will be recycled soon --- the bin is full. :)

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Bit closer,

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From the right side,

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Left;

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Con't.
 
This is how I hung the lights,

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But, on the top of the canopy I am left with the following. Not everyone can see them, but I can, and it annoys me. Plan on making some wood blocks, stain them, and place over the hardware. Will also angle the front of them for the front part of the canopy when it is opened up. Plan on doing that this up coming week.

Really annoyed that these don't line up -- should have taken more time. Besides it bothering my OCD, it will make making the blocks a bit harder.

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Was originally going to cut them off, but like the block idea better --- looks and holding the top.

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Think about 5 more gallons, and it will be all filled up. Was able to turn on the main pump for about 30 seconds, but not enough water yet to keep it running. But, when I turned off the main pump, the tank drained until the siphon was broke ---- still have plenty of room in the sump, even with those additional 5 gallons, so pleased about that.

Turned on the skimmer for a minute, just to see how it works. Shocked at just how quiet it is --- very very pleased with that.

Getting the probes for the APEX all set up, but going to wait on the CondX probe until the tank is running and the heaters are on -- right now the water is room temp 71.2, warm for me, but cold for the fishes. ;).

Really haven't done into the APEX too much, but overall I am pretty happy with it, nice to be able to control and check things from my phone.
 
Rock work looks great Todd, everything's coming along nicely!

Thanks a lot Brett.


Was able to actually turn everything on last night (( and still on now )). Have to do some fine tuning for the overflow and need to have the skimmer break in, but I am shocked at how quiet everything is, very happy about that. Even with the skimmer still breaking in, I am not having any issues with microbubbles, the sump seems to be working pretty well.

Had thought about trying some MP10s (( on my 75, which I will take down )) on the back wall, but think I am going to get 2 more MP40s, for additional flow. Not sure if there is enough at the moment --- but have plenty of time for that.

The temp is up to 78.3 (( really like being able to see how things are going even when I am away from home )), taking a while to get up there, but there is a lot of water to heat up. Looks like I might be okay with 2 150 watters, but will see if they have to be on too much before I consider changing out one of them.

There was one issue last night, and 100% my fault. I had set up the APEX to send a text when the temp falls below 75*. My phone is my alarm, and therefore right next to me while I sleep. Every hour there was a text, which kept waking me up -- kept saying that the temp was still below 75* (( which wasn't the case )). Finally around 4 AM I just turned off that part of the APEX.

Turns out, I had it set to "temp" and not "Tmpx5", I changed that about an hour ago, and tested it (( set the low temp alarm to 80* )), and it worked perfectly.
 
So, the tank has been running for about 4 days now, no major issues. A couple of things/notes.

Still need to make the wood blocks to cover the light brackets.

Want to make a shelf for the "fish closet" which is a tiny little closet in the basement under the stairs (( most of it is behind a panel, and is a crawl space that has the sump/pump, and not the fish kind ;) )). That will hold my RO/DI water, made up salt water and the like. Would like to be able to use the closet to hold a few coats too.

It is behind the old 75, pretty much ends where the overflow begins, if that makes sense.

From when we were painting.

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I plan on making this shelf/stand after Xmas, when I get my table saw stand -- at least I am hoping that I do.


Right now, I have the ATO container out in the open (( on a piece of 1" wood )), and plan on having a stand made for it -- will make the tank's stand, hold the container in the bottom, and have room on top for a 20 gallon QT. I will have to make sure that the ATO container doesn't get any higher off the ground. As it is right now, if I fill it all the way (( 10 gallons )), a siphon will start for about 0.5 gallons, which with my water volume isn't a huge deal, but....

I have a clip on fan attached to the canopy to help keep the canopy temps down when the lights are on. Working great -- dropped the canopy temps by 20 degrees. However, the water is evaporating too quickly and it is cooling down the tank too much. Going to be a fine line of keeping the canopy temps down, but not have the fan running too much. The fan only runs when the lights are on, think I will set up the APEX to run it for 5 minutes, and than off for 2. Will track the temps, and evaporation to see how that works out. If it works out, I will leave it be until the springtime, and will have to reevaluate it -- with warmer outside temps, and the air not being so dry.

Want to dig deeper into the APEX moonlights, right now I just have the moon raising in the evening, and setting in the morning, with no variation in intensity on a day to day basis. Want it to follow the true moon phases, but only at night time, at least I think that I do.

Moved a baseball sized rock from the 75 over to this tank, and added a few clams on the half shell -- will test the water this weekend. Might pick up a few small pieces of live rock to help seed things. Ignoring the bacteria levels for a second... want to have some seeded rocks in there for my 2 dwarf angels (( Centropyge acanthops and Centropyge venustus )) to pick at during the day. Both are eating prepared foods, but want to make this an easy switch over for them. Plus, not in a huge hurry to take down the 75, but would like it down come March, so can make some changes to that room.

Looking at the amp usage, I most likely would have gotten away with one 20 amp circuit, but still glad that I went with 2 -- gives me plenty of leeway. The condx probe is still settling in -- jumps from 35 to 40 over the course of the day. Have read that that is normal for its first week. The pH is running between 7.90 and 7.98, but I still need to calibrate that probe. The 2 150 heaters seem to be keeping the temps in check, but may switch one of them out for a 250 watt one -- have it already. Will make this switch for 2 reasons --- so they don't both have to run so much, and I need one of the 150s for water change bucket #2. Plan on doing weekly 10 gallon changes on this tank, using 2 5 gallon buckets -- remember that fish closet is small. :)
 
Why wouldn't you use a temp control on the canopy fan?

Dave.M

Do the Neptune temp probes work in the "air" ? Would they be fine with temps to 115*? If that would work, I would zip tie the probe to the plastic cross brace, would be nice if it works.
For now, I have the fan being on for 5, and off for 3 minutes. Also moved the dehumidifier to the dinning room. Was out last night and it was very humid in that room. The dehumidifier helped a lot.



Noticed something (( asked about it on the APEX forum )), the CondX values change (( 40 to 35 )) when lights (( ATI 8*80 )) turn on, and this happens within 10 seconds, moved the probe's cord and the aquabus cable away from the light's cord, with no change.
This is the spike,

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For an air temp probe, why not go directly to Neptune and ask. I'm sure they've had the question many times before. But really, if this is a temp driven issue you should be able to get some sort of thermostat control for the fan and not need the Neptune controller.

On conductivity, any poorly shielded cable or device is capable of adding an electromagnetic burst or inducing a current. That's why it is so important to separate your communications cables from your power cables wherever possible.

Dave.M
 
For an air temp probe, why not go directly to Neptune and ask. I'm sure they've had the question many times before. But really, if this is a temp driven issue you should be able to get some sort of thermostat control for the fan and not need the Neptune controller.

On conductivity, any poorly shielded cable or device is capable of adding an electromagnetic burst or inducing a current. That's why it is so important to separate your communications cables from your power cables wherever possible.

Dave.M

You had mentioned it, so I made the mistake of think you would know about it.

I mentioned that; "moved the probe's cord and the aquabus cable away from the light's cord, with no change."
 
Great build; love how clean the plumbing/electrical look. Hurrah for local guys! :)

Where are you located?

But, thanks a lot. That was one of the goals of this build --- sure makes things a lot easier. Even more so when I was trouble shooting the CondX probe issues. In the end, it seems that there is something with these lights that cause an issue with this probe, but not a short in the wiring. Among a ton of other things I did to narrow this down, the last one was to take the lights off the tank, and plug them back into the EB8, no issue. But, the second they are over the tank, it happens. So, just something I will have to learn to deal with. What I will end up doing is to re-calibrate the probe (( with the lights off )) to get a true reading set point. That way I will know the true reading when they are off.
 
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